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re: I'm officially convinced, we need a new OC
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:07 am to Sho Nuff
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:07 am to Sho Nuff
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Saying you're content with this season is admitting failure. There is no way that LSU should be sitting home for the SECCG. Did some of you guys watch the same LSU/Bama game I watched? If you enjoy second place, keep cheering for Miles.
Try third place. Sumlin coached rings around Miles this year and his team will only get better. The game is changing and Les will not adapt.
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:22 am to sicboy
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More than a new offense, Mett needs to be coached on some basic QB fundamentals. Feeling the pocket collapse would be job one.
Oh, and that whole overthrowing thing.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:29 am to Broski
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There is a reason the offenses have looked the same under Fisher, Crowton, and Studthorpe
They haven't. Revisionist memory. Fisher was run first, but we still had a good passing game (Jamarcus, for example). In 2007 we had one of the top offenses in the league and it was pass heavy with Flynn tossing the ball and Crowton calling plays. Then we lose Perilloux and have to go with Hatch and eventually a true freshman. With that freshman we were still pass happy, but his picks seemed to have make Les decide it was time to be conservative... and he hasn't had a QB he can trust to throw the ball well and stay poised under pressure until now, and the offense is opening up some. I think next year we'll see a more dynamic offense than we're used to. But with Studthorpe and Miles, we'll see a heavy dose of running regardless... and I'm okay with that.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:31 am to Sho Nuff
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Miles decides he doesn't trust his team enough and goes for 4 unnecessary trick plays against Bama and gives them the game.
You think it's a sign of lack of trust to run these trick plays and og for it on 4th down?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:33 am to XKEnut
I want Lesticles back. The offense is boring and predictable. With Lesticles, every game was an adventure. Will Les change? He might.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:33 am to Sho Nuff
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Did some of you guys watch the same LSU/Bama game I watched?
You mean the one where we forced them to go 80 yards at the end of the game and our defense that had been awesome all year just collapsed?
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Why is it always extremes with people? Can you honestly say that Miles did not give away the Bama game? It's not asking for perfection; it's asking for a coach to not make bumbling mistake after mistake.
We lost a close one. He doesn't make any more bumbling mistakes than any other coach. We were in the hunt until Auburn didn't show up yesterday.
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Saying you're content with this season is admitting failure.
Lost a bunch of starters on the o line to injury. Defense wasn't as good at the end of the year. I'm content - cant expect to go undefeated esp w Florida being a strong permanent opponent.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 6:38 am to tjohn deaux
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More than a new offense, Mett needs to be coached on some basic QB fundamentals. Feeling the pocket collapse would be job one.
Oh, and that whole overthrowing thing.
Mett will be a senior next year and though he was a first year SEC starter he did have two years in the Georgia and LSU programs as well as that JC season. He is what he is. He's a very tough young man but he's not going to get any quicker, his windup won't shorten, and unless we recruit Usain Bolt he'll continue to overthrow deep receivers. Sunshine pumpers called him Mettsiah but he is middle of the pack at best and it won't get a lot better. Yeah we need a new OC, and a HC who won't mess with him, but what we needed this year was a mobile QB and SEC caliber receivers.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 8:31 am to Tiger Authority
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Been resistant to say it, so while others have been on this bandwagon for a long time, I'm officially on it.
Absolutely astounding revelation! Just don't hold your breathe until it happens. Miles is the OC. LM ain't going anywhere much less giving up his style.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 8:59 am to Sho Nuff
Whoa. Strongly said, and I agree.
Miles has LSU firmly entrenched as second place in the West. That'll mean a lot of wins, but it also means few trophies. After 8 years it is apparent that 2011 was an aberration. While many players are still here from that team, that team is gone. 2012 was a return to the typical Miles style of close ugly games and two losses.
At least that's what the negative part of my brain. It's easy to spin it to the positives and cite number of wins and injuries and 2011.
So I don't know.
Miles has LSU firmly entrenched as second place in the West. That'll mean a lot of wins, but it also means few trophies. After 8 years it is apparent that 2011 was an aberration. While many players are still here from that team, that team is gone. 2012 was a return to the typical Miles style of close ugly games and two losses.
At least that's what the negative part of my brain. It's easy to spin it to the positives and cite number of wins and injuries and 2011.
So I don't know.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:29 am to Sho Nuff
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Why is it always extremes with people? Can you honestly say that Miles did not give away the Bama game? It's not asking for perfection; it's asking for a coach to not make bumbling mistake after mistake.
Making the number 1 team in the nation drive the ball with less than 90 seconds to win is giving the game away?
The fact is this offense was a work in progress all year. We had to break in a new QB, O-line, RB, WRs. Our best offensive players were sophomores or younger. There will be struggles with that kind if youth and inexperience.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:42 am to sicboy
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"Look, I'm the most loyal LSU tiger fan there is and
support our teams and all our coaches, but the
reality of the situation our team finds itself in has
nothing to do with Miles' secret playbook, his IQ, or
not showing his poker hand. Miles and his staff are
still hung over from 1/09/2012. Yes, Miles' record
looks great on the surface but one has to look
deeper in order to find the real truth about this man
and his coaching abilities. When he was interviewed
to replace Saban I remember a statement being made
that LSU wanted to be the best. What we saw on 1/09/2012
was typical Miles' coaching and stubbornness. In all his years at LSU he has yet to hire an OC and actually let the man coach. Every D1 coach in the land knows Miles' tendencies. Saban surely does! The truth is we are 5-0 but are not a very
good team at this time. There is not reason for any coach at
a D1 school to field a team as undisciplined as our team
looked last Sat. in TS. The truth is the buck stops with Miles
and it all comes down to coaching! Yes, we can attribute some
to injuries and attrition but with the talent we have there is a true lack of coaching. Miles better wake up or he will always
be second best to you know who!"
I took a lot of heat for this back in Oct. but Miles needs to elavuate his team in the off season and hire an OC and let the man coach or we will lose another two next year. Now on to the bowl game.
"Look, I'm the most loyal LSU tiger fan there is and
support our teams and all our coaches, but the
reality of the situation our team finds itself in has
nothing to do with Miles' secret playbook, his IQ, or
not showing his poker hand. Miles and his staff are
still hung over from 1/09/2012. Yes, Miles' record
looks great on the surface but one has to look
deeper in order to find the real truth about this man
and his coaching abilities. When he was interviewed
to replace Saban I remember a statement being made
that LSU wanted to be the best. What we saw on 1/09/2012
was typical Miles' coaching and stubbornness. In all his years at LSU he has yet to hire an OC and actually let the man coach. Every D1 coach in the land knows Miles' tendencies. Saban surely does! The truth is we are 5-0 but are not a very
good team at this time. There is not reason for any coach at
a D1 school to field a team as undisciplined as our team
looked last Sat. in TS. The truth is the buck stops with Miles
and it all comes down to coaching! Yes, we can attribute some
to injuries and attrition but with the talent we have there is a true lack of coaching. Miles better wake up or he will always
be second best to you know who!"
I took a lot of heat for this back in Oct. but Miles needs to elavuate his team in the off season and hire an OC and let the man coach or we will lose another two next year. Now on to the bowl game.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:42 am to biglego
Whoa. Strongly said, and I agree.
Miles has LSU firmly entrenched as second place in the West. That'll mean a lot of wins, but it also means few trophies. After 8 years it is apparent that 2011 was an aberration. While many players are still here from that team, that team is gone. 2012 was a return to the typical Miles style of close ugly games and two losses.
At least that's what the negative part of my brain. It's easy to spin it to the positives and cite number of wins and injuries and 2011
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my thoughts too
Miles has LSU firmly entrenched as second place in the West. That'll mean a lot of wins, but it also means few trophies. After 8 years it is apparent that 2011 was an aberration. While many players are still here from that team, that team is gone. 2012 was a return to the typical Miles style of close ugly games and two losses.
At least that's what the negative part of my brain. It's easy to spin it to the positives and cite number of wins and injuries and 2011
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my thoughts too
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:44 am to SomeTigerFan
That sums it up for me.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 9:47 am to XKEnut
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Try third place. Sumlin coached rings around Miles this year and his team will only get better. The game is changing and Les will not adapt.
Did we watch the same game at College Station.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:23 am to EarthwormJim
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Making the number 1 team in the nation drive the ball with less than 90 seconds to win is giving the game away?
There were series of calls that put us in that position. True, it was the defense's job to stop them but the offensive inability to put the game away left us to defend the goal at all odds. How many games did we play this year where our defense was on the field at end?
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The fact is this offense was a work in progress all year. We had to break in a new QB, O-line, RB, WRs. Our best offensive players were sophomores or younger. There will be struggles with that kind if youth and inexperience
I know they were. They grew and jelled as the season progressed. However, it took 6 games and a loss before they decided to open it some though. I think we under utilized the youthful talent that we had and wait until mid-season to see what we capable of.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:29 am to XKEnut
I don't agree. I think we made the correct adjustments and went for the win. aTm had a good game plan and attacked us early but we responded.
Sumlin is good but Les got him in this. They will only get better after the season they had. Recruiting will p/u and they will be more experienced. We have them at home next season though.
Sumlin is good but Les got him in this. They will only get better after the season they had. Recruiting will p/u and they will be more experienced. We have them at home next season though.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:31 am to Tiger Authority
Agreed. Big time.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 10:36 am to HotWheelz77
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There were series of calls that put us in that position. True, it was the defense's job to stop them but the offensive inability to put the game away left us to defend the goal at all odds. How many games did we play this year where our defense was on the field at end?
So the offense doesn't get credit for having a lead late against a great defense, instead it's criticized for not having a large enough lead?
Sure there were some calls that didn't work and maybe shouldn't have been called, but that aggressive mentality is what got us where we were in that game. No coach will make the correct call 100% of the time. And make no mistake, Saban made some shitty coaching decisions that game as well
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I know they were. They grew and jelled as the season progressed. However, it took 6 games and a loss before they decided to open it some though. I think we under utilized the youthful talent that we had and wait until mid-season to see what we capable of.
Or it took 6 games to open it up because we struggled to protect the QB and turned the ball over more than an LSU team is used to
Posted on 11/25/12 at 11:14 am to EarthwormJim
Since we know ZM can't run, and that limits our off choices, why not work harder at using Randall in a positive way. Leave Spencer to running. Also, in regard to OC, when did you hear anyone suggesting that another team was considering him for a head coaching job? If not, we have him til he retires!
Posted on 11/25/12 at 1:14 pm to EarthwormJim
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Sure there were some calls that didn't work and maybe shouldn't have been called, but that aggressive mentality is what got us where we were in that game.
First off, it's football....it's suppose to be aggressive. Since the Idaho game, every team that we played were in a position to win or tie the game in last possession. We were unable to finish teams off this year and played extremely tight with a lead.
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So the offense doesn't get credit for having a lead late against a great defense, instead it's criticized for not having a large enough lead?
Of course, I wish we had scored more points and had a large enough lead where it did not come down to the other team's last drive to decide every game. The reality is that we had a tough time scoring TDs all year. Therefore, I'm not so much focused on that inability as I am the inability to p/u short yardage and 3rd downs.
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