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re: I'm officially convinced, we need a new OC
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:11 am to Katy Tiger
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:11 am to Katy Tiger
We generate almost no pressure with our front four. They seem to fire off the line late (or early if your name is Mingo) and they hardly push the pocket. They play energized when they need to and get after the QB though. I just expected a lot more than we got this year.
IMO, our biggest problem is safety. They have been terrible all year. Young corners are just that. For the most part, they have played well in coverage and come up big but, have looked like freshmen at times to. Reid, Loston and Martin have looked lost and have been exposed too many times.
<sorry to hijack the OC thread>
IMO, our biggest problem is safety. They have been terrible all year. Young corners are just that. For the most part, they have played well in coverage and come up big but, have looked like freshmen at times to. Reid, Loston and Martin have looked lost and have been exposed too many times.
<sorry to hijack the OC thread>
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Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:14 am to Mayhawman
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Top 5 All Time LSU Offenses in rushing and passing TDs (from LSU Media Guide) '07 '11 '06 '03 '08
No way, not with Les meddling in the offense.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:17 am to LSU Groupee
:crickets:
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:42 am to Mayhawman
I'll bite. I don't disagree with Miles having 4 out of the 5. Without doing any research, is it safe to say this year won't be on that list?
'11 offense was put in some great situations created by turnovers. Even though they still had to do the work to get in, the offense was damn near an abortion post-Lee.
Regardless, the biggest problem is the play calling and the related sets/groupings we use.
Our inability to put teams away can't be completely blamed on the offense but, I believe they should care the responsibilty of finishing drives and eating the clock which keeps the defense off the field. I truly believe that had we used the first 3 games this season to work on installing a passing game we would have beaten UF.
'11 offense was put in some great situations created by turnovers. Even though they still had to do the work to get in, the offense was damn near an abortion post-Lee.
Regardless, the biggest problem is the play calling and the related sets/groupings we use.
Our inability to put teams away can't be completely blamed on the offense but, I believe they should care the responsibilty of finishing drives and eating the clock which keeps the defense off the field. I truly believe that had we used the first 3 games this season to work on installing a passing game we would have beaten UF.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 12:44 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:51 am to HotWheelz77
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the offense was damn near an abortion post-Lee
Simply not true, our offense was bad against Alabama x2 and one half against UGA. Our games against WKU, Ark, Ole Miss were 3 of our best games from an offensive production stand point.
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Our inability to put teams away can't be completely blamed on the offense but, I believe they should care the responsibilty of finishing drives and eating the clock which keeps the defense off the field. I truly believe that had we used the first 3 games this season to work on installing a passing game we would have beaten UF.
The problem is you expect perfection, when perfection does not exist. No one in college football plays up to the expectations this board sets for LSU.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:59 am to HotWheelz77
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the offense was damn near an abortion post-Lee.
Any who put out this shite only show themselves to be clueless as to what went on with our offense last season.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:59 am to EarthwormJim
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No one in college football plays up to the expectations this board sets for LSU.
My expectations were that we would soundly beat Auburn and Arkansas in a year that they were having historically bad seasons. I can find plenty of teams that met that lofty expectation. In fact, basically every SEC team they played did that.
I can handle losing to a good team in a well played game. The Alabama loss sucked, but I was proud as hell of the way the team played, and it was probably my favorite game of the season. My expectations aren't to win every game, but I do expect to not be embarrassed watching my supposedly top 5 ranked team struggle with teams that literally everyone else in the conference blows out of the water.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 1:37 am to EarthwormJim
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Simply not true, our offense was bad against Alabama x2 and one half against UGA. Our games against WKU, Ark, Ole Miss were 3 of our best games from an offensive production stand point.
I may have misspoke to include more of a body a work for JJ than I cared to remember. Not trying to get into a JJ v JL debate.
I'll give you Arky game as we ran a balanced attack.
The Ole Miss game was nothing more that running over a team that was severely over-matched. We threw less than 10 passes for the game. WKU...ok. We should have beaten both badly.
In the SECCG, we threw for less than 50 yds for the enitre game and had like 10 first downs.
BCSCG, I'm not even going there. Our 5 first downs and whopping 90 yds offense speak for themselves.
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The problem is you expect perfection, when perfection does not exist. No one in college football plays up to the expectations this board sets for LSU.
Come on man, I don't expect perfection. I expect coaches to do their job and manage a game effectively. Things happen, sure. I like Miles and I think he is great and all. The players love him...blah, blah, blah. I just don't get it. At this point, the expectations should be to win a national championship every year and anything less a failure with results to be proud of. I'm proud of them. He needs to hand the keys of the car over to someone qualified to run an offense and be the face of the program.
We have plenty of room to get better. Learn from mistakes and correct all areas in need of correction. If you are content with 10-2 then fine, I'm happy for you bc you were probably just happy that we made it to the BCSCG. Me, I see weakness and want them to strengthen the offensive side to make us a power that even Bama can't touch.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 1:45 am to LSU Groupee
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Any who put out this shite only show themselves to be clueless as to what went on with our offense last season.
Show me where I misspoke. Are we talking about running over teams like Ole Miss and WKU? The Arky game? That was balanced, I give it up. It was JJs best game.
What happened after that though?
In attempt to not get caught up in the one sentence which seems to keep drawing all the attention, I'm not trying to make a JJ v JL debate.
My point is we have had a problem evolving and making prompt changes with the offense. I think we have mismanaged personnel. Our play calling and groupings are very junior high like.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 1:57 am to HotWheelz77
I think the consensus is that we all like Miles, the players like playing for him, but we all want an effective offense that can keep the defense off the field and seal the deal late in games. I hate knowing we only scored 12 against Auburn while teams put up over twice that in 1 quarter. I hate knowing we played hard against Bama but we couldn't capitalize on our last drive, the list goes on.
Overall, I'm content with this season, we should be happy with 10 wins, hope for improvement next year, and life goes on.
Overall, I'm content with this season, we should be happy with 10 wins, hope for improvement next year, and life goes on.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 1:58 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 1:59 am to HotWheelz77
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We generate almost no pressure with our front four. They seem to fire off the line late (or early if your name is Mingo) and they hardly push the pocket
DT's are getting no push. Seems the same issue we have had in previous years (except last) in which the team is wore down. The DT's were almost ineffective yesterday.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 2:13 am to SomeTigerFan
No doubt. 10 wins...most schools wish they could have our "troubles".
It's easy to go back and nit-pick each game but, I'm looking at the entire body of work this season and comparing to last year. I see us regressing across the board and the results prove that. I expect that our guys we will be better next year though, if our coaching will allow it.
It's easy to go back and nit-pick each game but, I'm looking at the entire body of work this season and comparing to last year. I see us regressing across the board and the results prove that. I expect that our guys we will be better next year though, if our coaching will allow it.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 2:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
I love Sam to death but, he is the last one to fire off the line 95% of the time. Our DTs will be better next year (I expected more from Freak this year). It makes it hard for young corners to stay with them. The cross has time to develop. And it gives time for Reid and Loston to get further out of position.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 2:20 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 2:35 am to nf
quote:Every word stated to perfection my friend.
My expectations were that we would soundly beat Auburn and Arkansas in a year that they were having historically bad seasons. I can find plenty of teams that met that lofty expectation. In fact, basically every SEC team they played did that. I can handle losing to a good team in a well played game. The Alabama loss sucked, but I was proud as hell of the way the team played, and it was probably my favorite game of the season. My expectations aren't to win every game, but I do expect to not be embarrassed watching my supposedly top 5 ranked team struggle with teams that literally everyone else in the conference blows out of the water.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 2:42 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 5:09 am to rosiebean
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I know. I mean, if Les would just get his fricking hands off the offense, Mett could break passing records and shite.
Actually, I'm all for a different OC than Stud. But the "our O sucks because it's Les's style of O" is kinda simplistic and overlooks things like lack of talent (from 2008-2011) at QB, an O-line that was held together with bandaids in 2010 and much of this year, 3) a key injury in our running back corps, and 4) a total lack this year of prototype tall/fast/strong WR to help Mett get his groove in the passing game.
But facts are for nerds, right? Let's just ignore the good things we accomplished this year (like how the O *improved* as they season went on instead of regressing like the D did). Who cares about the actual facts on the ground? That's just crazy talk, lol.
Hmm, interesting. So who's fault is it that LSU didn't have a QB for 4 years?
A "key injury (as in singular) to a RB"? LSU has a stable of backs, try another one excuse.
Do you know why Randle left LSU? Because of Miles. He wasted Reuben. RR's dad hated Miles.
Here's a fact for you; Miles let Mett play ONE time last season with all those blowouts. ONCE. You think it could have helped Mett's pathetic pocket presence and for the first half of this season if he had gotten more snaps last year? Let me guess, that wasn't Miles fault?
Here's another fact for you; Miles gift wrapped LSU's season and handed it over to Bama AGAIN. Have you thought about the FACT that LSU would be playing UGA for the SEC Chanp and then likely the NC had Miles not called another pitiful game? Let me guess, it wasn't Miles fault for blowing the Bama game??
How can any true LSU fan be totally happy with the last 3 seasons LSU has had? You don't get to win a NC often but when you have elite teams, you damn well better do it then. LSU should have 1 and possibly 2 NC's in this 3 year period and instead is looking at 0.
I love how some fans will try to act like they are "better fans" than people who question the coach. I don't blindly follow a coach who pisses away talent. The teams win in spite of Miles.
How sad that we have to sit back and watch that POS Bama team go to another NC. Those are LSU's trophies.
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 5:16 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 5:14 am to Elleshoe
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I've read my response several times and fail to see where I said it was "good" (though the term is relative to the situation). In fact, I said we could use a new OC, but I'm not such a hater that I can't admit that our offense *improved* as the year went on...so I give credit where it's due. So your little strawman argument is just that.
As others have pointed out, our offense has indeed looked different under our various OCs and O struggles aren't just because Les makes us run the same shite all the time forever!, but who the frick cares about facts?
I give up. frick what actually happens on the field. Les Miles sucks, and our offense will always suck because he's always "meddling" in it (even when he, you know, *isn't*), lol.
the point was that we've had several OCs and the same mediocre to poor offense. What is the common factor between them all?
Please don't post FACTS! I am amazed when I see people blindly follow Miles. How on earth can people still support this guy after the humiliation in January and the loss to Bama again this year?
Here's a simple question for the Miles ball washers; should LSU have 0, as in ZERO, NC's to show for the last 3 years and the teams they have had?
This post was edited on 11/25/12 at 5:17 am
Posted on 11/25/12 at 5:19 am to RealityTiger
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Well it's not like the "system" they're using now is overly complex
The Defenses in the SEC knows the Miles O better than Miles himself. With 1 formation and 7 plays how hard can it be?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 5:22 am to White Tiger
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Well, Mr. Walsh/Brown/Noll/Landry/Lombardi, the differences may be noticeable, but the results are not. The LSU offense is below average. Period, end of story.
With the defense, ST's, RB's, OL, DL, and even WR's LSU has had over the past 3 years, LSU could be looking at backtobacktoback Championships if Miles actually recruited AND DEVELOPED a fricking QB. He is a second place coach and I just don't quite understand how people can't seem to get that he will continue to piss away talent. He is loyal to a fault and the OC isn't going anywhere. This guy stuck with George Jefferson for 4 years! He is one of us on the sidelines. He is a fan. He is in over his head.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 5:28 am to OBUDan
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For me, I just look at all the weaknesses this year:
Nothing at TE.
Lost our opening game LT, RG, RT and even our C for some span.
No true no. 1 WR.
In November, as Mettenberger and the WRs matured, the OL finally gelled, we looked a lot better.
And yet, even with the injuries, LSU still should have beaten Florida and Bama. As far as Mett maturing, that is all on Miles. Blowout after blowout and Miles put him in one single fricking game last year.
The dropsies were so damn frustrating this year though. ODB, who didn't drop anything last year, really had a bad first half. Landry and Boone dropped a lot too. But Landry and ODB really came on late. Mett really did too. And while all that was happening, Miles decides he doesn't trust his team enough and goes for 4 unnecessary trick plays against Bama and gives them the game.
What do people really think will change next year with a coach who finds a way for this team to under perform?
Posted on 11/25/12 at 5:47 am to EarthwormJim
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The problem is you expect perfection, when perfection does not exist. No one in college football plays up to the expectations this board sets for LSU.
Why is it always extremes with people? Can you honestly say that Miles did not give away the Bama game? It's not asking for perfection; it's asking for a coach to not make bumbling mistake after mistake.
Saying you're content with this season is admitting failure. There is no way that LSU should be sitting home for the SECCG. Did some of you guys watch the same LSU/Bama game I watched? If you enjoy second place, keep cheering for Miles.
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