re: If you consider les miles a "great" coach, please

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Give me a couple of GOOD reasons why you would fire him?

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You can't fire him because of the size of his contract. Good reasons why?

Our 2006 team not winning the West is a a bit disappointing considering the ridiculous amount of talent. Losing at UF is no biggie, but AU? Blame Jimbo all you want, but look what he's doing at FSU compared to what we did this year. It's not ALL offensive coordinators.

In 2007 we were huge underachievers outside of the first three games, yet we still won it all. Without the super star lineup we had, coaching would have led us to a 5 loss season. Why did we lose to a team we beat by 49 the year before? Was it smart to not give Charles the ball the entire game when he was averaging like 25ypc? I guess it was smart to leave Hester in there (who avg 3.4 that game) instead of Chuck (who avg 13.4) that game. 17-3 lead, squandered. Arkansas? .500 Arkansas who USC raped by 50 earlier in the year? That was our SECOND time to be #1. Basically a second chance at the title, which teams normally don't get (Texas, TT, USC, Bama, etc this year) we fricked up. UF with no defense required fourth down after fourth down to win. AU required a dumb bomb into the endzone with virtually no time left. An outmanned Bama team took us to the edge because of undisciplined players fricking up and terrible gameplanning on both sides of the ball.

How many BCS conference teams, percentage wise, have scored more than 21 on us the last two years? Was it all Bo? Obviously not. Les is in charge of the staff and made it even worse this year by hiring two guys who basically EVERYONE on this freakin site said would not work out. Why did he hire them? Most likely because of personal reasons instead of the best interest of the team.

Let's not talk about this year because I could fill up a paragraph for basically every game.

Does Les DESERVE another year? Of course. Do I wish he had another year? It depends on who we are in the running for. Call me crazy, but I'd trade Les Miles for Turner Gill. What has Gill proven? He's turned around an absolute embarrassment of a program and now is a conference champion. All Les has done is maintain a program with the absurd amount of talent another coach brought in. It's all fine and well until his own players, coaches, and philosphy are fully in, then the wheels fall off. Hell, Oklahoma State is now better this year, though I have no idea how many of those cats were Les recruits four years removed from the program.

I like Les as a person, but being a nice guy doesn't translate to wins. There's a reason everyone in the media, blogs, websites, radio shows, etc. questioned his ability to coach. All their criticisms came true this year. If LSU fans want to ignore what is looking them in the face, that's fine for you. Hopefully he rights the ship and makes me eat my words.

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Or it gives us no shot if it's knocked around or intercepted. Just because it worked out doesn't make it a good call.

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It was a "Great" call because LSU didn't waste TWO opportunities to score as opposed to one.

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The scoreboard read 00:01 left. The officials reviewed the time too I believe and stuck with that.

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And the REPLAY clearly showed 00:04 and LSU would have EASILY had time left for a 2nd attempt at a win regardless of the time keeper's blunder.

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You always try to get closer. Run an out pattern to the sidelines to stop the clock and gain yards. Run it up the middle maybe on a play action and see what you get.

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All of what you said presents just as many if not more risk as the pass that was thrown against single coverage that went for a TD. What you suggested was highly predictable plays with the same risk of INTs and fumbles.

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And some who were born to coach were also born to frick up an entire season and have a sub .500 record in the SEC and LUCK into a MNC with a few plays here and there. The Miles' apologists are some of the most delusional mother frickers around.

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LSU "DID NOT" luck into a MNC. LSU's resume was better than 117 of 119 eligible teams so they EARNED it. Unlike the BE officials who were finding creative ways to WILL WV, vs Pitt, into the NC game, the complete opposite could be said of the SEC officials regarding LSU, not to mention LSU's "Bad Luck" with the chop block against Dorsey or our starting QB not playing a down vs the SECE's #1 team in SECCG or the often called "holding call penalties" just mysteriously is non-existing vs LSU's NFL type DL the past 3 years but rears its ugly head against a fricken TWO-MAN Arkansas rush on a critical 3rd down conversion for 1st down. Say what you want, but I'M not buying into your "LUCK" card rants.

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He's the only coach in LSU history to have ridiculous amounts of talent 4 years in a row.

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Saban went 8-5 getting KILLED by UT in the Cotton in 04...Saban had equal talent.

Miles is on the verge of realing in the #1 recruiting class if that means anything to you.

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Does Les DESERVE another year? Of course. Do I wish he had another year? It depends on who we are in the running for. Call me crazy, but I'd trade Les Miles for Turner Gill. What has Gill proven? He's turned around an absolute embarrassment of a program and now is a conference champion. All Les has done is maintain a program with the absurd amount of talent another coach brought in. It's all fine and well until his own players, coaches, and philosphy are fully in, then the wheels fall off. Hell, Oklahoma State is now better this year, though I have no idea how many of those cats were Les recruits four years removed from the program.

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What has Saban acheived with just Saban's players? Who did better, Les or Saban, with just Saban's players? What was OK State BEFORE Les? Did you know Les' WIN % is better than the OKST coach BEFORE and AFTER him @ OKST? Did you know Les' WIN% is better than Saban's at LSU? Did you know Les has a better WIN% with Saban players than Saban has with Saban players? Give it a rest and have a GREAT DAY.

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I just don't understand how people can consider that a good call. Doesn't make any sense.

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LSU had TWO chances to win the game. MF wanted single coverage on Byrd and got it. TD. If Byrd had double coverage, LSU attempts FG on next play. Brilliant call to give your team TWO chances to win if Plan A doesn't pan out.

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You go by the scoreboard first, and it read 1 second after offical review. There was 1 second left regardless of what we saw happen. Calls happen all the time that aren't right, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen. Stupid call.

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If it came down to it for whatever reason, LSU would have lobbied for more time AND GOTTEN IT. It was obviously an error by the time keeper that would have been corrected if needed.

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Seriously? Throwing a 30 yarder into great coverage with a few seconds left is better than my scenarios?

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Yes, because LSU had a play to waste if the coverage wasn't wahat was desired. Byrd got single coveraged and the rest is history.

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If so, then why do teams with limited time down by 1 lobby to run and line up for a FG, or throw short passes to the sidelines to stop the clock instead of bombs into the endzone in solid coverage? I'll tell you why, because it's smarter.

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That's true, but there are times in situations where you are going to take what the defense gives you, for example, Saban's defenses vs Arkansas and Iowa where the odds are just as good or better to hit the deep guy.

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Why was it better than West Virginia's?

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Simple math and comman sense. More quality wins, Triple OT losses, SEC>BE schedule. Very easy call.

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Vault up 5 spots over three other conference champions with two losses, one of them losing an improbable game (like ours to Ark) to get us in.

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LSU should have never been 5 spots below in the 1st place and it was an easy call for the voters to correct there blunder, which they did.

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That's luck and the chips falling our way. The only team we earned it over was VT since we clobbered them. OU, WV, and USC is chance.

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VT was not the "only" team. LSU's resume was better than OU, WV, USC, and UGA as well.

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UF beat the shite out of them, and they caught UGA sleeping. Was Tenn better at that point than Georgia?

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UT qualified. UF and UGA didn't.

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Why are you bitching about calls in a game where we played a two man team on senior day at home with more talent? Why were we there? Bad coaching? I think so.

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Because you're bitching about how LSU "lucked" into the NC game because of the results of the WV/Pitt game in which the BE officials were desperately trying to give the game to WV in contrast to what LSU had to go through with the SEC officials. You did watch both games, right?

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it read 1 second after offical review

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does anyone else remember them reviewing the time on this play?

here's my question why are you people playing the game with the poster who started this thread that has never said hardly ever said anything positive concerning this team or the staff in the time i've been posting or lurking on this site. you are suppose to judge a coaches success by his win/lose percentage. since les has a mine boggling percentage of wins in his 4 years at LSU so of you consider him a poor coach. but yet he has produced a BCSNC plus a SEC Championship in his tenure here. He recruits well plus he has a genuine concern for the players who play for him. 11 Loses in four years is a helluva accomplishment. I've witnessed him out coach some of the best coaches in college football during this time. WE ARE FANS WITH LIMITED ACCESS TO THE INTERNAL ORDER OF THIS PROGRAM, AND TO SAY LES IS NOT A GOOD COACH, is out of line plus ignorant due to the fact that the numbers say otherwise. Everyone is intitled to there opinion, but to argue over his success is premature cause most of you who dislike Les yet still praise Nick have short term memory lose because you were bitching about Nick getting getting waxed to UT to end a horrible 04 season. Grow up and quit your belly aching about how our coach suxs when in fact he;s a damn good football coach.

you know why, dr cause most of these people posting this bullshite are spoiled due to LSU's success during this decade. they think they know whats best when in reality they dont have a fricking clue.

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Think about that long and hard. If you think his 2002 team had nearly the same depth, you're crazy. Just because we had Davis, Toefield, Bradie, Spears, Hill, etc. doesn't mean shite if you don't have depth on a team.

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the biggest problem w/ that 2002 team was mauck's broken foot and d james' busted piss test.