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re: If you are LSU, how do you stop Manziel?
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:03 pm to thelsutigerfan
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:03 pm to thelsutigerfan
If the offense can't produce long drive, then you won't stop him
The Offense is the key to stopping him
The Offense is the key to stopping him
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Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:04 pm to thelsutigerfan
If we still had lil trindon at DE, Johnny fig wouldn't gain a yard all game on the ground.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:04 pm to thelsutigerfan
The exact same gameplan as last week against SC. Shaw has a better arm, and Manziel is faster, but beyond that, the gameplans should be similar.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:08 pm to thelsutigerfan
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Defense is not the problem in Baton Rogue.
Rogue indeed.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:11 pm to thelsutigerfan
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If you are LSU, how do you stop Manziel? (Posted on 10/19/12 at 3:36 p.m.)
Sweep the Leg!!!!
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:13 pm to 10888bge
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How Florida stopped Johnny Manziel
First, they got at least a hair less aggressive. On A&M's passes on the first three possessions, the Gators rushed an average of 3.9 defenders; they blitzed three times early on and Manziel went 2-for-3 for 28 yards. From the fourth possession on, the Gators blitzed just once, choosing instead to alternate between dropping seven and eight defenders into coverage.
They also began to react better to Manziel's tendencies. The short passing game that worked well early on evaporated -- A&M's average yards after catch sank from 6.2 yards to 3.2. And tough, in the face of less pressure and better coverage, Manziel elected to scramble many times (it's what he does), his scrambles rarely paid off: in nine scrambles that we charted, Manziel completed three of five passes but was held to 17 yards in four rushes. Four quarterback draws gained just 16 yards. Twice, Manziel was sacked in the pocket waiting for a receiver to come open.
Even in a five-wide set, which just screams, "Come after me," Florida stuck with the plan of bringing either three or four defenders, and the move worked. A&M still had some decent gains here and there, but the Aggies' six drives after halftime all resulted in punts, four of the three-and-out variety. Florida had the speed to read and react, and it turned out to be a winning strategy.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:22 pm to thelsutigerfan
Play Dirty Dancing on the Big Screen... He'll try dancing the final routine the whole game on the sidelines.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:24 pm to 9Fiddy
The best solution is to force him to stay in the pocket and operate the Spread properly. It's risky though because he is getting to understand the offense better each week and if the Spread if run properly it is very hard to stop because the plays are designed so that someone is always open. When Manziel gets REALLY dangerous is when he starts hitting long passes. If he does that then it forces the D into being too spread out trying to cover the field.
It is a pick your poison situation. I think LSU's DL will be able to get pressure on Manziel but I don't see him running for his life, not with Joekel and Matthews protecting him. He better not try to run 20 yards behind the line in a scramble or to spend 10 seconds in the pocket as he has at times this year. The key to A&M's D is it puts immense pressure on the defense. They can run or throw and they line up in tons of different formations with all kinds of motion. The plays are called at the line based on how the defense is set up and the pace goes from normal to rocket speed and back depending on what they are seeing. Any mistake also can mean a TD.
The biggest edge A&M has imo is that LSU hasn't played an offense anything like this all season. It's very hard to adapt to quickly because of the pacing and movement, Manziel just makes that harder because even his own team doesn't know what he might do. Half his big plays this year are from someone who looked like they had him dead to rights and he makes one quick move and suddenly he is 10 yards down the field or flipping the ball to a guy no one else saw. He has that crazy competitive nature to him and just makes plays. Honestly he reminds me a lot of a certain DB that wore #7 for LSU last year, some guys just see the game differently. I personally think the style advantage will be more significant than the home field and that will definitely be a factor.
The best way to stop Manziel is the simplest, force a few 3 and outs and control the ball with long drives on the other side of the field. It's easier said than done though.
To me they play this game 10 times and LSU likely wins 6. It's going to be fun.
It is a pick your poison situation. I think LSU's DL will be able to get pressure on Manziel but I don't see him running for his life, not with Joekel and Matthews protecting him. He better not try to run 20 yards behind the line in a scramble or to spend 10 seconds in the pocket as he has at times this year. The key to A&M's D is it puts immense pressure on the defense. They can run or throw and they line up in tons of different formations with all kinds of motion. The plays are called at the line based on how the defense is set up and the pace goes from normal to rocket speed and back depending on what they are seeing. Any mistake also can mean a TD.
The biggest edge A&M has imo is that LSU hasn't played an offense anything like this all season. It's very hard to adapt to quickly because of the pacing and movement, Manziel just makes that harder because even his own team doesn't know what he might do. Half his big plays this year are from someone who looked like they had him dead to rights and he makes one quick move and suddenly he is 10 yards down the field or flipping the ball to a guy no one else saw. He has that crazy competitive nature to him and just makes plays. Honestly he reminds me a lot of a certain DB that wore #7 for LSU last year, some guys just see the game differently. I personally think the style advantage will be more significant than the home field and that will definitely be a factor.
The best way to stop Manziel is the simplest, force a few 3 and outs and control the ball with long drives on the other side of the field. It's easier said than done though.
To me they play this game 10 times and LSU likely wins 6. It's going to be fun.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 4:25 pm to TheDoc
I'd still blitz him out of the 'stang, just vary up where it's coming from.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:24 pm to thelsutigerfan
collapse the pocket. If you let him get outside we are screwed. If he runs up the middle, the lb's will be there.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:28 pm to Northwestern tiger
Like UF in 2nd half against A&M.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:29 pm to Weaver
The middle has been the softest this year for the Tigers when the QB scrambles. I know Chief will gameplan for it, but I do see it happening.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:33 pm to thelsutigerfan
same way we played shaw last weekend. Have the ends keep the outside contained have a lb spy in the middle. Force him to go through receiver progressions in the pocket. On film you can see once his first guy isn't open he starts to scramble.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:36 pm to thelsutigerfan
LSU, if you haven't been watching, has zero defensive problems and Manziel will be no problem. LSU needs to fire the offensive staff as soon aas the season is over and bring in a coach that can develop offensive talent AND a QB.
LSU probably has the best defense in the nation all around.
LSU probably has the best defense in the nation all around.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:40 pm to aggressor
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The biggest edge A&M has imo is that LSU hasn't played an offense anything like this all season. It's very hard to adapt to quickly because of the pacing and movement, Manziel just makes that harder because even his own team doesn't know what he might do. Half his big plays this year are from someone who looked like they had him dead to rights and he makes one quick move and suddenly he is 10 yards down the field or flipping the ball to a guy no one else saw. He has that crazy competitive nature to him and just makes plays. Honestly he reminds me a lot of a certain DB that wore #7 for LSU last year, some guys just see the game differently. I personally think the style advantage will be more significant than the home field and that will definitely be a factor.
Disagree with you here LSU has faced similar types of spread all year. Washington ran it with more focus on the passing aspect of it, Auburn ran it just not very effective with it, South Carolina ran it some and their style was very similar to you guys with shaw running in the backfield.
This post was edited on 10/19/12 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 10/19/12 at 5:43 pm to thelsutigerfan
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If you are LSU, how do you stop Manziel?
Tackle him. When you can't sack him intercept his passes. When you can't intercept his passes knock them down.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 6:01 pm to 9Fiddy
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The exact same gameplan as last week against SC. Shaw has a better arm, and Manziel is faster, but beyond that, the gameplans should be similar.
I agree. I think Debo should see a lot of PT. that's our quickest and fastest LB. He's every bit the athlete JM is.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 6:06 pm to aggressor
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To me they play this game 10 times and LSU likely wins 6.
lol....wut?
Posted on 10/19/12 at 6:16 pm to LSUTiger205
With the finest damn defense in the nation!
Posted on 10/19/12 at 6:16 pm to LSUTiger205
I can promise you ,Minter is NOT fast enough to be the spy on him.
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