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re: If USC & Oklahoma go undefeated, are we this year's Auburn?
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:01 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:01 am to Tiger Voodoo
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How would you decide who gets in if rankings are ridiculous?
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Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:03 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:Create 8 major conferences, let those 8 champions play it out. Just like the pros, just like high school, just like basketball and baseball. Basically just like anything but beauty contests and ice skating. and gymnastics.
So you want a playoff then, I assume. How would you decide who gets in if rankings are ridiculous?
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:11 am to King Joey
I think that we on this board are giving way too much credence to the following arguments:
1) The SEC is so way very much harder than any other conference, that it's winner is automatically in the BCSCG. This is a sentiment that is only held by fans of the SEC. People may generally believe that the SEC is the best conference, but that doesn't mean its champion is always one of the best.
2) The defending champion gets an additional measure of respect. This is simply not true, nor should it be. 2008 is a new season, and 2007 has nothing to do with it. The candidates for this year's championship game will be measured on their performances this season and this season only.
That being said, I think we can all agree that the winner of USC/OSU, if undefeated, will clearly be in the NCG.
The comparison, then, will come down to Oklahoma vs. LSU. In this case, I think most pollsters will side with Oklahoma. Flatly, they will have played better competition out of conference than we have. The reasoning will go something like, "If the best that the SEC can produce is a team whose best non-conference victory was over a FCS school, then they must not be very good."
For the sake of college football in general, if that situation plays out, LSU SHOULD be left out. That, and the Auburn situation might finally convince coaches and ADs that you must have a decent OOC schedule to play for the national championship.
Last thing: Three major undefeated teams has happened once in like the last 30 years. A reasonable man would say it will not happen again this year.
1) The SEC is so way very much harder than any other conference, that it's winner is automatically in the BCSCG. This is a sentiment that is only held by fans of the SEC. People may generally believe that the SEC is the best conference, but that doesn't mean its champion is always one of the best.
2) The defending champion gets an additional measure of respect. This is simply not true, nor should it be. 2008 is a new season, and 2007 has nothing to do with it. The candidates for this year's championship game will be measured on their performances this season and this season only.
That being said, I think we can all agree that the winner of USC/OSU, if undefeated, will clearly be in the NCG.
The comparison, then, will come down to Oklahoma vs. LSU. In this case, I think most pollsters will side with Oklahoma. Flatly, they will have played better competition out of conference than we have. The reasoning will go something like, "If the best that the SEC can produce is a team whose best non-conference victory was over a FCS school, then they must not be very good."
For the sake of college football in general, if that situation plays out, LSU SHOULD be left out. That, and the Auburn situation might finally convince coaches and ADs that you must have a decent OOC schedule to play for the national championship.
Last thing: Three major undefeated teams has happened once in like the last 30 years. A reasonable man would say it will not happen again this year.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:14 am to Lou
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Create 8 major conferences, let those 8 champions play it out.
Oh, is that all. Seems easy enough to me.
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Just like the pros, just like high school, just like basketball and baseball. Basically just like anything but beauty contests and ice skating. and gymnastics.
So, basically, you hate college football?
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:20 am to Tiger Phil
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People may generally believe that the SEC is the best conference, but that doesn't mean its champion is always one of the best.
Agreed.
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The defending champion gets an additional measure of respect. This is simply not true
Then, why did LSU get 3 first place votes? I agree that it shouldn't have anything to do with the rankings, but obviously it does.
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I think we can all agree that the winner of USC/OSU, if undefeated, will clearly be in the NCG.
Without a doubt.
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Flatly, they will have played better competition out of conference than we have.
OOC = 4 games
Conference games = 8 games (9 including CG)
8 (9) > 4
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you must have a decent OOC schedule to play for the national championship.
OK, but then can we also put in a rule that you MUST have a decent CONFERENCE schedule to play for the national championship too.
This post was edited on 8/1/08 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:27 am to JPLSU1981
not another post about usc. 
this is sarcasm for our usc posters that think every thread that mentions usc is a thread about usc. and building on our obsession with them.
this is sarcasm for our usc posters that think every thread that mentions usc is a thread about usc. and building on our obsession with them.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
If we win all our games, we should be alright.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:33 am to JPLSU1981
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If we don't start the season #2, I don't think we would've made the NCG.
Disagree, the key factor in getting into the National Championship game was a 48-7 victory over ACC conference champ. No one else had that type of pelt on their wall.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:37 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:no, just the method by which a "champion" is determined. Auburn goes undefeated in 2004 and doesn't play for a NC? Ridiculous.
So, basically, you hate college football?
eta: I had no problem with the "system" in 2005 when Texas and USC were clearly the best two teams. But in most years that is not the case.
This post was edited on 8/1/08 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:38 am to bulletprooftiger
Not reading all of this but...
I seriously doubt 3 majors go undefeated. Hell we couldn't find 2 1-loss teams for the NC game last year.
But if they did, my guess is one way or another is LSU gets in the game. If OSU is the team, they get left out (after the last 2 years, no way LSU gets passed up for OSU).
If its USC, OU, LSU that looks awfully familiar. Voters find a way to force USC vs. LSU his time. LSU's computer score would have to be pretty bad to keep us out.
I seriously doubt 3 majors go undefeated. Hell we couldn't find 2 1-loss teams for the NC game last year.
But if they did, my guess is one way or another is LSU gets in the game. If OSU is the team, they get left out (after the last 2 years, no way LSU gets passed up for OSU).
If its USC, OU, LSU that looks awfully familiar. Voters find a way to force USC vs. LSU his time. LSU's computer score would have to be pretty bad to keep us out.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:39 am to Lou
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the key factor in getting into the National Championship game was a 48-7 victory over ACC conference champ
This is very true, also we could have not lost to either Kentucky or Arkansas.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:42 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Wow. The more I think about this, its pretty interesting.
Let's say its OSU and OU undefeated in the BCSCG. I don't think an SEC team jumps them, or that they should.
But what if an undefeated WV gets left out and plays a one loss SEC team in the Sugar.
OSU OU game is sloppy, SEC team blows out WV.
What then, AP???
bump
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:47 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:If AP's #1 team wins their bowl game, that team remains #1. They've flopped during the season, but never during the bowls. If #1 loses, then it's just potluck - that's when you see the true idiocracy of voting on a champion.
What then, AP???
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:51 am to Tiger Voodoo
Undefeat teams
OSU wins, we play OU NCG.
USC wins, we play USC.
No loss LSU or Florida teams are in.
OSU wins, we play OU NCG.
USC wins, we play USC.
No loss LSU or Florida teams are in.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:51 am to Lou
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What then, AP???
Remember the AP is irrelevent for all intents and purposes.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:57 am to Tiger Voodoo
I stand by my original point, that if LSU goes undefeated by beating Florida, UGA, the SECCG (over UGA or UF again), as well as AU, Bama, etc. I seriously doubt they get left out for OSU.
OSU plays no championship game, got blown out of the NC last 2 years, and don't have a super hard schedule outside of USC (LSU plays 3 games of USC's caliber)
OSU plays no championship game, got blown out of the NC last 2 years, and don't have a super hard schedule outside of USC (LSU plays 3 games of USC's caliber)
Posted on 8/1/08 at 9:58 am to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:not really, most non-AP pollsters take their cue from the AP poll. I would even bet that most coaches (for the coaches poll) are too busy to research and rank teams. I wouldn't doubt it if they took the AP poll and either made a few minor changes or submitted it verbatim.
Remember the AP is irrelevent for all intents and purposes.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 10:01 am to Lou
I think the point he was making was that if OSU won a sloppy game, would LSU be #1 in the AP poll.
I still contend (unlike most people) that as a national champion the AP holds more weight than it did in 2003. Back then, they were a "part" of the BCS champion.
Today, they simply declare their own champion and having nothing to do with the BCS.
I still contend (unlike most people) that as a national champion the AP holds more weight than it did in 2003. Back then, they were a "part" of the BCS champion.
Today, they simply declare their own champion and having nothing to do with the BCS.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 10:05 am to Volvagia
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Our low rank is just because of questions. If we answer those questions by going undefeated despite playing UF and UGA, they'll jump us over OU.
LSU could jump OU provided UF and UGA have outstanding seasons. If for some reason UGA were to stumble say against Arizona State tht could hurt LSU chances.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 10:43 am to JPLSU1981
...The SEC team would also have to be "undefeated"...then hope for the best in the SOS and other intangibles to get the BCS points. Which they probably would have a very good chance to get But the SEC team would defineitly have to be unbeaten. No "one loss" team would jump over two unbeatens from the caliber of a USC/Ohio State, vs Oklahoma mix. JHMO. 
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