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re: If the orgeron experiment goes wrong how would you feel about Aranda being promoted?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:03 am to tigersquad89
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:03 am to tigersquad89
I love everything about Aranda but I dont think hes HC material. I dont think he has the personality for it. Hes too quiet and too nice. Hes best as an evil genius lurking behind the scenes. Hes the kind of guy that can make an incompetent staff look competent all without ever being noticed.
To your second part; if he leaves because of this shite show I imagine it could very well start an epic slide into irrelevancy for LSU. Both because of what he brings to the table and because of the optics of shite-canning Miles, hiring a DL coach as HC, firing a creative OC after one year and then losing a DC thats universally acknowledged as one of the best in the business all within 2-3 years. It would look like this from all sides....
To your second part; if he leaves because of this shite show I imagine it could very well start an epic slide into irrelevancy for LSU. Both because of what he brings to the table and because of the optics of shite-canning Miles, hiring a DL coach as HC, firing a creative OC after one year and then losing a DC thats universally acknowledged as one of the best in the business all within 2-3 years. It would look like this from all sides....
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:04 am to SammyTiger
The things Aranda has, as you correctly say (smart, players respect him) is what you want in a head coach. What he doesn't have, unfortunately, is what if takes to get the HC job at Political, Good Ol Boy U -- a talent for backstabbing, gutter instincts, self-promotion, and a Cajun mafia eager to spread misinformation and politic behind the scenes.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:06 am to TNTigerman
He’s more qualified than our current head coach.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:10 am to RGJ18
No he isn’t 
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:12 am to tigersquad89
On one hand, he's not a proven HC. On the other hand, Lincoln Riley has OU in the playoff.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:18 am to tigersquad89
Good luck, because Aranda would never take the job, you idiot.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
Picture this, Dave walks into your house wearing a back pack..ok, then pulls out a lap top breaks down ten minute film showing mom/granmaw/dad/uncle and son what he sees and where your son fits in. Your wife feeds Dave dinner, he leaves and all of you are sitting on the sofa saying WOW.. I would push the door open to have may son play for him. Devin White as an example
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:26 am to Topwater Trout
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No he isn’t
What exactly is it that you believe Ed O has in qualifications over Dave Aranda. Other than having been a Head Coach before, what exactly is Ed O better at than Aranda? That can be proven?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:29 am to tigersquad89
This is a new take. Surprised that others haven't mentioned this. Tell me, does a top 10 finish in year one of the experiment justify another year of the experiment?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:32 am to tigersquad89
I see Aranda as a lifer NFL DC who should excel with a bunch of professionals. If he can land in a stable place with a good HC, he'll be seen like a Dick Lebeau or better after 20 years.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:47 am to tigersquad89
How many threads you starting today?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 10:56 am to tigersquad89
quote:All of these coaches being mentioned are assistant coaches which is commonly called hiring on the cheap.
If the orgeron experiment goes wrong how would you feel about Aranda being promoted?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:05 am to danfraz
We are talking who is more qualified to be a head coach. Only a moron would say someone who has NEVER been a head coach is more qualified than someone who hasn’t. How is that concept so hard for some of you? We are talking qualifications...tell me how a guy who has never done something more qualified than someone who has.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:08 am to tigersquad89
Aranda won't be the head coach. He said that he doesn't want to be a head coach right now. he wan't to coach defense in the NFL.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:09 am to tigersquad89
If it comes down to terminating Coach O, then LSU needs to quit the dumb shite and get like Ohio State did when they hired Urban Meyer. Look for a proven big name, get his arse here and sign him up for whatever he asks. It's time to quit fricking around with the football program and making half arse hires.
ETA: That's what was so nice with the Saban hire. Even though Saban wasn't a "big name" per se, he was still extremely relevant at the time and it was well known that he single handedly rebuilt Michigan State to be competitive once again.
Joe Dean was about to frick up the hire, exactly how Alleva fricked up the latest hire. I wouldn't be at all surprised if LSU ended up with Hal Hunter, had Mark Emmert not taken over.
It might take that again. For somebody to physically push Alleva out the way and tell him to go back to his office, we got this.
ETA: That's what was so nice with the Saban hire. Even though Saban wasn't a "big name" per se, he was still extremely relevant at the time and it was well known that he single handedly rebuilt Michigan State to be competitive once again.
Joe Dean was about to frick up the hire, exactly how Alleva fricked up the latest hire. I wouldn't be at all surprised if LSU ended up with Hal Hunter, had Mark Emmert not taken over.
It might take that again. For somebody to physically push Alleva out the way and tell him to go back to his office, we got this.
This post was edited on 12/30/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:13 am to tigersquad89
Aranda has no experience as a head coach, at any level. Don't want that here.
Yes, Dabo is a good example of a guy with no experience, hired from within, but he's the exception to the rule. Head coaches at big programs usually should be proven winners. Too big a risk to hire a guy with no head coaching experience. And I'm not convinced Aranda has the personality or desire to be a head coach. Some guys just want to be coordinators.
Yes, Dabo is a good example of a guy with no experience, hired from within, but he's the exception to the rule. Head coaches at big programs usually should be proven winners. Too big a risk to hire a guy with no head coaching experience. And I'm not convinced Aranda has the personality or desire to be a head coach. Some guys just want to be coordinators.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:15 am to Croozin2
o/t Dude, that Fat Albert pic is legit!
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:17 am to ItsFingerLickinGood
quote:Lincoln Riley may prove to be a great head coach, but this year, he just stepped into Stoops' team, which included a Heisman Trophy QB.
On one hand, he's not a proven HC. On the other hand, Lincoln Riley has OU in the playoff.
Let's see how Riley does in 5 years. And again, he might be great, but this year doesn't prove that. Need a bigger sample size.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:17 am to tigersquad89
I would, I think he's the next Saban (at least, with his deep and thorough passion for completely understanding football).
I don't care about the recruiting part, you can hire a rah rah assistant. He just needs to be at a place that already has a draw (like LSU), and have a very strong idea of exactly what sort of players he needs to fill his team with. I think he does, I think he's probably got certain styles and sizes in his mind, and plugs guys in accordingly.
As for an approach to offense: I think he analyzes them enough when attacking, to have ideas as to which would complement his defense the most. Which would be hardest to combat, and which would be easiest to run consistently as a system and not reliant on a special player.
I have no personal knowledge, but I think he's gone soon.
I don't care about the recruiting part, you can hire a rah rah assistant. He just needs to be at a place that already has a draw (like LSU), and have a very strong idea of exactly what sort of players he needs to fill his team with. I think he does, I think he's probably got certain styles and sizes in his mind, and plugs guys in accordingly.
As for an approach to offense: I think he analyzes them enough when attacking, to have ideas as to which would complement his defense the most. Which would be hardest to combat, and which would be easiest to run consistently as a system and not reliant on a special player.
I have no personal knowledge, but I think he's gone soon.
Posted on 12/30/17 at 11:22 am to lrlafayette
Responding to
You responded
There is truth in what you say but here is a look at LSU's history since Charlie Mac.
Jerry Stoval - 22-21-2 no HC experience, Assistant to previous coach, Up and down seasons
Bill Arnsparger - 26–8–2 NFL Head Coaching experience no losing seasons
Mike Archer - 27–18–1 No HC experience, Assistant to previous coach, Initial success followed by rapid decline
Curly Hallman - 16–28 Lower level Winning HC experience. Worst coach in LSU history
Gerry Dinardo - 32–24–1 Losing SEC HC experience, imediate improvement followed by upward trajectory, then adisappointing 7 loss season with 5 losses by less than 7 points, 2 by 3 or less to ranked teams. Then an abysmal 8 loss season but still with 3 losses to ranked teams away by less than 7 with 2 of those by 1. The 2 most what if season I recall in my time watching LSU
Nick Saban - 48–16 - Winning HC in Big 10 prior - NC winner second highest winning percentage in LSU history no losing seasons
Les Miles - 114–34 - Winning HC Big 12 prior - NC winner highest winning percentage in LSU history no losing seasons
Ed Orgeron - 15–5(so Far) - Losing SEC HC experience, Winning Interim experience. Closest guy comparatively is Dinardo, maybe? We shall see where this goes, hope fully better than I expect at this point.
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The formula for LSU is: hire a proven HC from a P5 conference. Promoting from within can be disastrous
You responded
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Just because a coach is proven doesnt mean he fits his next job and has equal or more success.
A coach that can run a program and is excellent at his craft on that side field plus fitting the program would be best.
There is truth in what you say but here is a look at LSU's history since Charlie Mac.
Jerry Stoval - 22-21-2 no HC experience, Assistant to previous coach, Up and down seasons
Bill Arnsparger - 26–8–2 NFL Head Coaching experience no losing seasons
Mike Archer - 27–18–1 No HC experience, Assistant to previous coach, Initial success followed by rapid decline
Curly Hallman - 16–28 Lower level Winning HC experience. Worst coach in LSU history
Gerry Dinardo - 32–24–1 Losing SEC HC experience, imediate improvement followed by upward trajectory, then adisappointing 7 loss season with 5 losses by less than 7 points, 2 by 3 or less to ranked teams. Then an abysmal 8 loss season but still with 3 losses to ranked teams away by less than 7 with 2 of those by 1. The 2 most what if season I recall in my time watching LSU
Nick Saban - 48–16 - Winning HC in Big 10 prior - NC winner second highest winning percentage in LSU history no losing seasons
Les Miles - 114–34 - Winning HC Big 12 prior - NC winner highest winning percentage in LSU history no losing seasons
Ed Orgeron - 15–5(so Far) - Losing SEC HC experience, Winning Interim experience. Closest guy comparatively is Dinardo, maybe? We shall see where this goes, hope fully better than I expect at this point.
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