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re: If losing one player is derailling one side of the ball for
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:37 pm to Bert Lyons 716
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:37 pm to Bert Lyons 716
Playing Tulane, La Tech, and ULL in the same year we should not be 106 in total offense no matter who our QB was. Our WR'S alone should have us in the top 35 teams in the country. Miles and Crowton should have had a better handle on what our QB'S were capable of doing and finding a scheme to fit them. At 9-3 our record is fine but the way the offense looked if I was Miles, Crowton would be sent packing after the bowl game.
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Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:39 pm to LSUMafia
see its idiots like you that come on here talkin about stupid shite. You can have a below average qb in conferences with no defense and still be really productive offensively. What you can lt have is a very in experienced qb and an oc who constantly puts their players in a position to fail while playing a very good defensive conference. Hell you need go no further than last year for an example. Oklahoma had destroyed everyone they played and had set a ncaa record for points scored and then they play a sec defense and they can't hardly move the ball. So don't get on here sayin how pac10 and big 12 teams have inexperience at the qb position and they still produce offensively. Of course they do, they play in conferences where the team isn't built around defenses.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:44 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
Pridegtiger, you are making my point. Crowton is the bigger issue these past two seasons, not RP. Studs is a bigger issue this season than RP too, by a ton.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:45 pm to LSUMafia
quote:Their problems sound JUST LIKE LSU's.
First off, they lost more than ONE player.
USC lost 10 starters on defense and lost because of that. Offense lost its starting QB, started a true freshman and despite the UW game (where Barkley didn't play) had a top 60 offense. Also, don't forget they lost both their OC and DC for this past season.
OU lost its ENTIRE starting OL, and best receiving threat from last year and the best TE in the country just before the season. They lost the Heisman winning QB in game 1, and still did well in offense. They still ended up top 28 in offense and slaughtered OSU.
My point was not last season and not that RP had no effect. He had a major effect last season. No one is denying that. RP is not to blame for this year's complete hogwash of an offense. We are having problems everywhere on offense, particularly at OL with 3 returning starters all starting for 2+ years prior to the season.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:52 pm to Mindenfan
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Their problems sound JUST LIKE LSU's.
Not really, and I'll explain why:
OU: Lost their ENTIRE OL, best TE in the Nation, and their Heisman QB this season. They lost their QB in the first game of the year, not the Spring before the season started.
USC: Lost 10/11 starters on defense and could've lost 11. Lost both the OC and DC. Lost their starting QB and started a True Freshman (who had a spring to get ready, which is more o a mix last year for LSU). They lost a starting WR to injury too.
LSU has returned 4 of 5 (in 2008) and 3 of 5 (2009) starters on the OL including their LT both years. They lost RP in the spring before the 2008 season. HUGE difference to losing your starter in the middle of the season. LSU had the same OC this year and entire offensive staff outside of TE's coach versus USC losing their OC and DC.
In any form, both of those teams lost more significant portions of their teams than LSU, by a longshot.
JJ has a lot of potential and done well given the circumstances and the shitty coaching our OL and QBs have been receiving, and not to mention the horrific play callling that is Crowton's spread offense.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:53 pm to LSUMafia
who cares what you are tired of. it's a fact; the QB is the most important position on the team. ask pete carol.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 12:57 pm to LSUMafia
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Has anyone given a legitimate example yet to say I failed?
The reason this post is a FAIL, IMHO, is simple!
I don't care what arguments you make, USC, Oklahoma, and many other historical examples contradict your Original post! You can't make statements that belie history and have people take you seriously.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 1:03 pm to LSUnKaty
Really? They do? I have yet to see where a single player has derailed a legitimate ELITE program for 2 seasons later on one side of the ball.
I am not saying LSU shouldn't be struggling, but to drop off the map as an offense was my point. Despite all of your "history" arguments, the loss of a single player hasn't taken a top 20 offense in two years to a bottom 15 offense because of one player.
The fact is coaching is the biggest issue here and its mainly on Crowton and Studs' heads. That is the point.
Keep acting like 1 player is the reason for our continued struggles, and you simply keep the cycle up that the coaches aren't responsible. It's their job. They are paid to have the players perform well.
AGAIN, this isn't about records, and you chose to IGNORE that part of my original post. It's about absolute ineptness on one side of the ball.
I am not saying LSU shouldn't be struggling, but to drop off the map as an offense was my point. Despite all of your "history" arguments, the loss of a single player hasn't taken a top 20 offense in two years to a bottom 15 offense because of one player.
The fact is coaching is the biggest issue here and its mainly on Crowton and Studs' heads. That is the point.
Keep acting like 1 player is the reason for our continued struggles, and you simply keep the cycle up that the coaches aren't responsible. It's their job. They are paid to have the players perform well.
AGAIN, this isn't about records, and you chose to IGNORE that part of my original post. It's about absolute ineptness on one side of the ball.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 1:18 pm to LSUMafia
Well i for one place alot of the blame at crowton's feet. For two years in a row he hasn't played to his players' strengths. When Lee was the qb, we had one of the most dominate running games in the country and he still kept putting the ball in lee's hands when it was clear he was struggling with ints. Then this year, anybody with any football knowledge could tell that jj has problems keeping his eyes down the field when the pocket breaks down. Why not roll him out. Also jj isn't good at running the option and crowton continued to run it as if we were productive at it. In my opinion he ruined lee as a qb by not playing to his strengths and this year he had to know we were very undersized on the o-line and yet he continued to call rb dives. Why no misdirection and for gods sake why would he let jj continue to run the option when you have a very dinamic player in RS? Its Crowton's job to coach jj up and to play to his teams advantages and he has failed to do that for 2 years now.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 1:22 pm to LSUMafia
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LSUMafia
With the way you bitch & moan, I bet you have a miserable life.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 5:00 pm to LSUMafia
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Stil went 8-4 with a much tougher schedule than LSU had last year.
Right...USC SOS was like 9 and LSU 16. MUCH tougher...
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and still put up yards and points
Right...USC averaged 26 pts per game and LSU 25...
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