re: If losing one player is derailling one side of the ball for

I am not saying OU was great with Bradford, but they lost a bunch with him. Just look at the UT game. He played well when in there, and one average half against BYU doesn't mean they weren't that good with him.

That said, OU lost what, 5 starters on the OL? Lost their stud TE?

LSU lost 2 OL, a WR (who didn't do much last year), and a FB. Those losses obviouly hurt, but aren't what I'd say OU lost.

My point is that RP can get a lot of blame for 2008. I never denied that, but 2 years removed to have the 108th offense in the nation is not on RP like some people want to make it out to be. He definitely had an effect, but for all we know, like Sanchez, he may have gone pro after 2008 if he had a great year.

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Are USC and OU still elite programs?

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1. OU has major OL losses, USC lost all of their D

2. 2008 for LSU is 2009 for both teams. let's see if they're mediocre in 2010 like we were this year

First off, they lost more than ONE player.

USC lost 10 starters on defense and lost because of that. Offense lost its starting QB, started a true freshman and despite the UW game (where Barkley didn't play) had a top 60 offense. Also, don't forget they lost both their OC and DC for this past season.

OU lost its ENTIRE starting OL, and best receiving threat from last year and the best TE in the country just before the season. They lost the Heisman winning QB in game 1, and still did well in offense. They still ended up top 28 in offense and slaughtered OSU.

My point was not last season and not that RP had no effect. He had a major effect last season. No one is denying that. RP is not to blame for this year's complete hogwash of an offense. We are having problems everywhere on offense, particularly at OL with 3 returning starters all starting for 2+ years prior to the season.

We played UGA who gave up 40+ to Tennesse and USC? We scored 20 and it required a huge run to win the game in the last minute to get there.

Did we face a stifling defense against a MASH unit of a La Tech team? ULL?

You can use the SEC defense excuse all you want, but fact is that other SEC teams with 1/2 our talent put up points against those teams.

I am a believer that LSU will improve, but I just think its silly to put all LSU's offensive ills THIS season on RP who may or may not have even been here this season had he not gotten kicked off.

we have way more probs then just QB.... you give OU a bye b/c they lost thier oline? well we only had 2 guys back and they both had bad years....

and we lost our dline 1 year and then had fill ins flop next year....

QB is important, and back ups are huge, we have a national title in 2007 to prove it, Flynn went down, we didnt fall apart, Dixon went down oregon crashed..... Booty got hurt USC fell, White got hurt WVU failed........ it goes on and on.......

JJ isnt a failure yet, he's coming along, enough to be a good championship calibur QB? prob not but you gotta give him a chance to fail. JJ's biggest prob right now is he has no one pushing him at QB! He knows after Lee's epic failures that if he dosnt turn ball over then he's in. He needs to get pushed harder.....]

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your team than you are not a powerhouse nor recruiting that well.

I am tired of people claiming RP is the reason our offense has struggled. I am not talking about the team's record here. Obviously, going 9-3 this season is not the end of the world and was a success to many. It's obviously not the failure many make it out to be.

Last year was bad given the expectations and returning talent and the failure that was our defense.

My point, however, is that even with the loss of RP, our offense going to utter crap this year and having the horrible turnover issues the year before isn't on RP. It all goes back to two things: recruiting and position coaching. An ELITE program doesn't have these types of issues. PERIOD for 2 straight years.

That said, hopefully next year we'll see some improvement but RP is not an excuse for total ineptness on offense this season.

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Ask Pete Carroll and Bob Stoops about first year QBs.

I think last year it was a BIG factor. This year the big factor is lack of an offensive philosophy (unless you think random play calling is a philosophy) and an oline that gets manhandled.

Thats it in a nutshell for me.

Are you referring to Henne in 2007? They lost to Appy state with him, and were well on their way to losing to Oregon with him as well prior to his injury.

Again, RP has "derailed our offense" two years in a row? As someone else reiterated, our offensive woes are placed way too much on QB. It may be the most important position, but its not the only factor. Our OL sucks, QB development sucks, play calling sucks.

That is my point. Many people keep saying "if RP had stayed" as if we'd have two NCs right now. Our defense was the problem last year, and offense this year. It's about the whole offense, not the ONE position.

Everyone using USC and OU as examples, have ignored the fact that they are in year 1, not year 2 post this issue. Furthermore, OU didn't spend all offseason knowing Bradford was going to be out? It happened early in the season.

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losing one player is derailling one side of the ball for
Are you referring to Henne in 2007? They lost to Appy state with him, and were well on their way to losing to Oregon with him as well prior to his injury.

Again, RP has "derailed our offense" two years in a row? As someone else reiterated, our offensive woes are placed way too much on QB. It may be the most important position, but its not the only factor. Our OL sucks, QB development sucks, play calling sucks.

That is my point. Many people keep saying "if RP had stayed" as if we'd have two NCs right now. Our defense was the problem last year, and offense this year. It's about the whole offense, not the ONE position.

Everyone using USC and OU as examples, have ignored the fact that they are in year 1, not year 2 post this issue. Furthermore, OU didn't spend all offseason knowing Bradford was going to

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LSU had first year starters at Qb for 2 yrs.LSU lost players via injuries and graduation too.
You guys can't have it both ways.