re: If I Told You You Have to Wear a Mask to Have LSU Football

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Just say “ I am a pussy, or I don’t worship God or LSU football but I worship the Orange pedofile Trump” and Geaux Away!

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Where the frick did this come from? Obsessed much?

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At what point will masks no longer be a requirement? We're told its for our own good, and for the good of others. What criteria has to be met to no longer be forced to wear a mask? 100 cases? 0 cases? How long will that be? A month? A year? A decade?

I'll answer for you; you don't know. No one knows. Our betters in government don't know. If we're being forced, against our will, to fall in line and wear these things, its a legitimate question.

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How long are we going to require women to wear those pesky tops? I, for one, would like to see my freedoms returned to me. There is a thing called the protection of the health and welfare of the state. We must do a whole helluvalot of things we don’t want to do to function in and as a society. We do so because the benefits of participating in society far outweigh the negatives.

But let me ask you this: why would you suspect that we would have to wear these masks into eternity?

And to what benefit? Honest to God, I don’t understand this argument. If it made it easier to police or keep people in order, that would be one thing, but as far as an administrative or policing point of view goes, it only makes it more difficult. You can’t ID people nearly as easily. Cameras can’t use facial recognition on you. None of that shite. So who is benefitting here that makes you think this is a conspiracy to take away freedoms? Honestly. I’m asking. Because I don’t get it.

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Would you do it? Nevermind what you’ve read about the science or efficacy of mask wearing. Just pretend that if you wear a mask in public for the next 2 months, you get to watch LSU play football on tv when the season starts. It’s a simple “would you do x to get y” scenario. Would you do it?

*edited to clarify the hypothetical situation*

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Nope will not wear a mask..

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I agree, look at Japan, it's become part of the culture over there. I could easily see it becoming part of the culture here as well.

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God, I hope not. Japanese don't celebrate individuality the way Americans do (or at least used to)

And FTR, I'm not wearing a fking mask now or ever.

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societal norm you dolt

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It’s also the law. Literally the only reason to wear clothing is because of our sensibilities. The reason to wear a mask is, at least ostensibly, to protect the public health and welfare. You think it makes more sense to legislate sensibilities than health?

Y’all’s arguments are pretty weak. It really comes down to two things:

1. Paranoia that, for some unknown and irrational reason, the government would continue to require the wearing of face coverings in public until the end times because they want more power and control... And somehow face coverings gives them power and control. (see boxcarbarney’s post above)

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2. You don’t like wearing a mask. Which I get. I don’t like it either. But it’s no skin off my back to go to the grocery store and put a mask on. Not sure why it is to anyone else other than to simply be contrarian or to “rebel against those pesky liberals” or some shite. I don’t know. I think you just don’t want to. But there are plenty of things you do daily that you don’t want to do. You probably drive at or around the speed limit to avoid tickets. You probably wear shorts or pants to avoid an indecent exposure fine. You probably don’t drink alcohol in public where it is illegal. There are plenty of restrictions on our behavior that are not just societal norms, but legislatively enforced. The whole argument is nonsensical.

Now, back when the WHO was saying they DON’T recommend masks because they may actually be worse for you because most people wear them like idiots and frick with them all the time and end up touching a surface that has the virus on it and then touching their face mask and, consequently, just breathing in the virus that is loving that humid air out of your mouth and breeding like crazy and ultimately giving themselves the level of exposure to the virus necessary for it to take hold in the body, that was a good argument against the mask wearing. But the WHO is in line with the CDC and the fact that Europe is opening back up with much fewer problems than many of the states in the US suggests there is actually something to wearing a mask.

So, what I started as a hypothetical has, predictably, morphed largely into a discussion on politics, not even on the merits of mask wearing. It’s clear to me and anyone paying attention that it is this attitude of either indifference or blind skepticism that will keep us from further opening up the economy. Congratulations.

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Says the guy trying to force others to do something he wants. Why does everyone need to obey you? Wearing a mask makes you safe so wear one and let others decide what they wanna do. What difference does it make to you as long as you believe you’re protecting yourself?

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I’m not trying to make you do shite and you don’t need to obey. I have no control over you. I think you should wear a mask and heed advice of public health officials, but go ahead and do as you please.

And the difference to me is that I don’t give a frick about you idiots, but I do care about the innocent people you idiots potentially expose to the disease who can’t fight it off, including those rare young men and women who have to get intibated or who die because you refused out of simple obstinacy to wear a mask in public places.

I’m not wearing a mask to protect myself, I’m wearing a mask to protect others. This isn’t about you or personal choice. That’s the asinine argument of antivaxxers. This is about doing a minimally invasive, probably NOT long lasting, thing to protect my neighbors. Including you.

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you didn’t want others to obey you you wouldn’t be cursing them for providing reasonable inquiries.

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Spare me. The whole thread and threads like it are littered with people calling other people idiots. Are you an idiot? Hell, I don’t know. I don’t really care if you obey me either as that’s not the point and the point of this thread was to gauge how people would react to a simple “if this then this” scenario and they can’t get out of their own politics enough to either answer the question or base their answers on the question being posed.

And what political rhetoric have I engaged in? I am not spouting CNN or Fox talking points. I don’t even know them as I read actual articles focused on medical evidence.

And what questions am I not answering? Your inflammatory “why should we obey you?” Like that’s an honest question. If so, even though it was clearly meant to suggest I am some authoritarian, I answered the question: you don’t need to obey me. I think you should listen to the advice of public health officials.

And just as a for instance, the two posts i responded to before yours said this was about accumulating power for the government and that societal norms enforced by law are not the same thing. So I responded.

Keep it up Madking. What else ya got? Let’s listen to you pontificate on why you think we shouldn’t wear masks. I’m waiting. Or will we only get another ad hominem and straw man?

Will all masks be inspected before entry to make sure they’re reliable? Will the stadium provide mask enforcement and close its concessions?

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Why should everyone obey you?

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Again, the inflammatory question that has already been answered. I don’t want people to obey me. I think people should listen to the advice of health professionals.

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What evidence do you have that suggest everyone has to wear a mask for anyone to be safe?

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The CDC and WHO have both stated that wearing masks reduces the R Naught of the disease, which means it spreads less. The less spread, the more likely those that are horribly affected (and they are not the vast majority of people - the disease is not that deadly or severe despite what MSM wants to show you) are to have access to a hospital bed. If people run around like fools, like they have in Texas recently, ICUs get logjammed. Luckily, it seems like, Texas was able to contain this and the concern of the ICU logjam has been alleviated and they didn’t even need to go into their overflow protocols in places like Houston. Not coincidentally, the Governor and the Harris County mandated masks in public spaces where social distancing was impossible or improbable. If you want to go to a park and be without a mask, you can.

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How is it safe for 100k people drinking and behaving in a totally unsupervised way but it isn’t for a dozen with distance and PPE for work?

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If this is what you are getting from the hypothetical, it is a hypothetical and not what would actually happen. If we have a football season, LSU would likely play in an empty stadium like the English Premier League and the PGA. If you are just throwing out your own hypothetical, it isn’t safe for 100,000 drunk people to pack a stadium. Plenty of people have been working in Texas. Several have come down with Covid in my own building. Not sure they got it in the building, but it doesn’t matter. It is stupid to bring nonessential workers to a building if they can work from home effectively. That said, it’s still probably not that big an issue to have people working from their offices. Much of Houston already has this shite going on and, prior to the mask mandate, people were getting sick. So if you have PPE and you go to an office, and you do all the other things too like wash your hands, disinfect surfaces, etc. you’re probably going to be fine. But if you don’t need to go in, why go in? It’s an unnecessary risk. And even if it is only flu like symptoms for you, what if it isn’t for your kids or your spouse?

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And if you’re wearing a mask why do others need to?

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According to what I’ve read from interviews with medical professionals and from medical journals, masks help prevent the virus from hanging in the air and from being spread as far as they otherwise would without a mask. That means that people in general all need to wear them so that, if they have the disease and don’t know it, they can say least keep from huffing it out of their mouths too badly. I acknowledge that asymptomatic people are far less likely to spread the virus because they aren’t spraying plumes of it through sneezes and coughs. But, even before the WHO retracted the bit about it being rare that an asymptomatic person will spread the disease, they were still talking about like a 15% chance, not like a .01% chance.

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If masks work then you wearing one should keep you safe so why does everyone else have to do it just because you want them to?

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I think I addressed this above.