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re: If Foster wins his ineligibility appeal, should he be allowed back?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:03 am to LSUTygerFan
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:03 am to LSUTygerFan
That is a good theory I never thought of that one.
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:25 am to ell_13
if his grade is appealed and he is elligible, he should get to come back.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:26 am to FalseProphet
I also have a degree from LSU and I could care less about his grade in a Sports Amin class. I want him back on the team because he's a good ball player and he can help us win. Just being honest.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:27 am to HappyTownTiger
So you are willing to cheapen your degree by allowing those who don't earn them to receive them, just for one year of baseball?
ETA: if that's your position, then I'm sad we have the same degree. You clearly don't care about yours.
ETA: if that's your position, then I'm sad we have the same degree. You clearly don't care about yours.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 8:28 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:32 am to CamdenTiger
Yes
Because technically he wasn't ineligible this past weekend
Because technically he wasn't ineligible this past weekend
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:41 am to FalseProphet
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allowing those who don't earn them to receive them
You are making assuming things about Foster's case, and you have no idea whether they are true.
Did he flunk a class due to poor performance, lack of effort, etc? Or were there extenuating circumstances? Is it possible that he was treated unfairly by a professor? Most may believe that athletes get breaks in class (and that may be true in many cases), but there are also cases where athletes are unfairly treated specifically because they are athletes.
I don't think anyone here really knows what happened. So it seems premature to talk about debasing the degree and all.
How about we all give him the benefit of the doubt at this point?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:41 am to FalseProphet
I've seen a bunch of people use the term "falsely accused." I strongly believe that is misguided. The likely scenario if he wins his appeal is that the professor is willing to work with Foster to allow him to make up for whatever he failed to do on the front end. That is not being vindicated after being falsely accused but rather being afforded the opportunity to make up for a prior screw up. I went through a similar situation in college. Had the flu and had to make up all my midterms in two days. I pulled an all nighter and literally fell asleep sitting up while waiting for my final midterm. I slept through the final and begged and pleaded to take it after she wanted to give me a zero. My TA stood up for me because I had an A in the class, so my professor gave in and allowed me to take it on the spot. That didn't vindicate me of wrongdoing but it saved my arse.
As for if Foster is able to salvage his eligibility, why wouldn't you let him play? What lesson would he learn by not being allowed back on the team? He's a senior. Mainieri isn't a vindictive prick. Foster already missed senior day. There would be no purpose served by not allowing him to play if cleared. Anyone remember Ridley getting caught up in an alleged cheating situation his last year? Did Miles bench him in the Cotton Bowl after he was cleared?
As for if Foster is able to salvage his eligibility, why wouldn't you let him play? What lesson would he learn by not being allowed back on the team? He's a senior. Mainieri isn't a vindictive prick. Foster already missed senior day. There would be no purpose served by not allowing him to play if cleared. Anyone remember Ridley getting caught up in an alleged cheating situation his last year? Did Miles bench him in the Cotton Bowl after he was cleared?
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:49 am to ell_13
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If they think he's just getting special treatment, then there could be animosity over him allowing it to get to that point.
I'd venture to say there are quite a few players on the roster who aren't all-star students and are barely scraping by and many getting "help," unless things have changed since I was in school (doubtful). I doubt the team dynamic would be affected much, if at all
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:51 am to HappyTownTiger
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have a degree from LSU
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I could care less
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:53 am to lsufball19
And there are quite a few players who are good students and would be bitter that he let it get to this point and got bailed out (if that is the case, which again, I don't think it is). We're not talking about rational adults; they are young and emotional. A coach takes that into account.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 8:55 am to FalseProphet
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So you are willing to cheapen your degree by allowing those who don't earn them to receive them, just for one year of baseball?
ETA: if that's your position, then I'm sad we have the same degree. You clearly don't care about yours.
I don't feel like my degree is cheapened knowing athletes get favors. I feel like it's common place. Outside elite private schools, athletes are never held to as high of academic standards. Everyone knows this. So no I don't care if an athlete gets an extra boost to earn his degree in general studies. An employer isn't going to look at your resume and say, "well, that school does favors for athletes, so this degree really doesn't mean shite."
If you can only find value in your degree by comparing it to how a few select people out of thousands obtained theirs, then that's another issue altogether. You know what you went through to earn yours. Be proud of that accomplishment. The athletes that need help aren't using their degree to get the same job you want regardless.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:08 am to Deadeyedick
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A very close friend of mine who is friends with a player on the team told me the other day the class that made him flunk out was a class that's only grade was a project due at the end of the year. What I was told was Foster told his parter that he will do all the work if his parter would do the money raising part of the project. When it came time for ole boy to turn in the money for the project he skipped town with the money and never turned it in. Which caused them to get a failing grade.
This may or may not be true, but I've seen similar situations involving team projects with 1 or more students dropping the ball on their part and screwing the team grade. Usually there are individual components to these projects that can be looked to so that 1 idiot doesn't screw it up for the team.
However, if you're in a position where 1 F causes such a big problem then you're probably on the border of remaining eligible anyway. Unless the F grade dropped him below some mandatory class hour quota that must be passed to remain eligible then after 4 years of college an F shouldn't materially impact you, as all it takes is 1 A to counterbalance that grade.
Got to be more to the story.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:10 am to Broski
No. We need to move on and get some reps in for a new 2nd basemen.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:10 am to lsufball19
This really blows my mind. So you're saying that because our culture knows athletes can't get the grades, we shouldn't care at all that they get the same diploma everyone else does?
We aren't talking 5 year olds here. We're talking 22 year old men.
And to the person who said I have no idea about Foster, you're right. I also said Manieri knows it all. If Coach starts him after an appeal, fine. If he doesn't, fine. He'll know much more than any of us ever will.
We aren't talking 5 year olds here. We're talking 22 year old men.
And to the person who said I have no idea about Foster, you're right. I also said Manieri knows it all. If Coach starts him after an appeal, fine. If he doesn't, fine. He'll know much more than any of us ever will.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:12 am to LSU 318 LSU
People hating on sports administration. I got one in sports management. It's not a joke of a degree. There are some easy classes don't get me wrong but a degree is a degree. Plenty of hard sciences And maths I had to take
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:17 am to taf
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How about we all give him the benefit of the doubt at this point?
You don't give the benefit of the doubt to someone who failed.
It's their burden to prove that they didn't or shouldn't have.
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:29 am to lsufball19
Its clear to me Mainieri doesn't like Foster. His ineligibility didn't start until Monday, and he knew Foster was appealing. Most coached would stick up for there players. I'll put it this way if is was Bregman, Stevenson or Laird we probably would not of heard anything about this, because coach would have intervened.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:31 am to FalseProphet
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This really blows my mind. So you're saying that because our culture knows athletes can't get the grades, we shouldn't care at all that they get the same diploma everyone else does?
We aren't talking 5 year olds here. We're talking 22 year old men.
We're also talking about a group where the vast majority could never, ever get into college without sports. It is what it is. it's been that way ever since athletes were given scholarships and will be as long as college sports exist. You want athletes to be held by the same academic standards as all students? That's fine, just don't expect the same quality of athletic competition going forward.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:32 am to tdsrus
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Its clear to me Mainieri doesn't like Foster.
what a tired argument... coach doesn't like me... teacher doesn't like me...boss doesn't like me...
The guy played enough to have 160 at bats...coach hates him.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 9:33 am to Deadeyedick
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When it came time for ole boy to turn in the money for the project he skipped town with the money and never turned it in.
what class project involves raising money and turning it in?
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