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re: I Would Rather Live/Die With Lee Than Go Through Another Jefferson Season
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:51 pm to yeauxkneauxit
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:51 pm to yeauxkneauxit
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NO, Its just that all the people with their head up JJ @#$ think he is just that great and the entire rest of the tiger nation was looking for someone else that at least wouldn't continue to go 3 and out.
I bet you can find 10 posts each of me, Just me, Rooad, Antonio Moss, and lots of other people "on JJ's side" saying that he's been pretty bad. I said it today. Last year I wrote that he should be benched after one of those games along the stretch (probably TN). Grow up. No one thinks he's great. We just thought he was better. So did the coaches.
But it's moot for the time being. We're all behind the team. But, as I wrote earlier, I will knight for JJ if someone decides he hasn't been shat on enough. Why? Because I feel like it.
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Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:51 pm to acgeaux129
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I edited/corrected myself for the Ole Miss game, but don't pull that "total yards" business on here.
So you want to compare JJ and Lee on passing alone? That's being unfair to JJ. His legs are what make him okay at times.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:53 pm to Hulkklogan
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So you want to compare JJ and Lee on passing alone? That's being unfair to JJ. His legs are what make him okay at times.
No, JJ wins the passing efficiency game too. Strange, I know.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:54 pm to Navytiger74
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No, JJ wins the passing efficiency game too. Strange, I know.
Really? Hmm. Well, he was pretty decent in 2009. 2010 was atrocious through the air, but I honestly don't put that all on JJ. He had plenty of bad passes but there were plenty of drops and bad scheming.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:55 pm to just me
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There are rules in football. These rules are important. Every team must follow the rules.
The rules in football allow the QB to run the ball. The rules allow the QB to run the ball into the endzone. The rules do not prohibit the QB from scoring solely by throwing a pass.
I know that knowledge of the rules seems to be a prerequisite to make intelligent posts. However, it seems many posters don't have even a fundamental knowledge of the game.
ETA - LSU scores six points when Jefferson runs for a touchdown. LSU does not score more than six points when a QB throws a pass for a touchdown.
EATA - Jefferson was the #2 QB in 2009 in redzone efficiency. It helps LSU to have a QB who can run into the endzone for a touchdown.
That's a cute post, but you seem to lack perspective. Reggie Ball was a pretty decent rushing QB as well.
Jordan Jefferson isn't Vince Young, Tommy Frazier, or even Pat White. If LSU ran a system based primarily around running QBs, Russell Shepard would be the starter.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:55 pm to Navytiger74
Jefferson averaged 108 passing yards per game and 22 rushing yards per game. I don't want that bullshite from my qb.
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:56 pm to Hulkklogan
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Really? Hmm. Well, he was pretty decent in 2009. 2010 was atrocious through the air, but I honestly don't put that all on JJ. He had plenty of bad passes but there were plenty of drops and bad scheming.
Career stats, including yards per attempt and completion percentage favor JJ. And his best games outstrip Lee's. And he has decent wheels.
Again, moot at this point, but worth mentioning in a thread like this.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:56 pm to acgeaux129
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JJ is a pretty lousy example of a running QB in college.
#19 leading rusher in the SEC
#4 leading rushing QB in the SEC
#13 in rushing TDs in the SEC
#3 in rushing TDs by the QB in the SEC.
He's no Cam Newton, but he isn't lousy.
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He is pretty horrible in running the option though.
The lead option, yes.
The read option, no.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:57 pm to Antonio Moss
No. He's lousy.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:58 pm to UnluckyTiger
You're right.
We should go off of your faulty perception of reality and not actual facts.
We should go off of your faulty perception of reality and not actual facts.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:58 pm to Antonio Moss
I wish I could debate this with you further, but I do have to go to work. I'll be back on later tonight.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 12:59 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Jefferson averaged 108 passing yards per game and 22 rushing yards per game. I don't want that bullshite from my qb.
Again, the career stats don't lie. JJ's 7 game stretch between UNC and Alabama was inexcusable, but his entire body of work suggests that he's the more able of the two experienced options. Again, the coaches apparently thought so as well.
Lee has a chance to make believers of us all, and I truly hope he does.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:00 pm to Antonio Moss
Im sorry but a Qbs primary goal is to offer a passing game. 108 ypg is lousy. And his running is over rated.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:04 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Im sorry but a Qbs primary goal is to offer a passing game.
I guess Vince Young and Cam Newton should hand over their National Championship rings.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:10 pm to Larry Hollins
I personally discredit anything antonio moss says before even reading it.. See avatar for reason..
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:18 pm to acgeaux129
quote:Thank you. There are two ways to gain yards. Peope often ignore the rushing aspect of a QB. Those people lack perspective. You know what perspective is, right?
That's a cute post, but you seem to lack perspective.
quote:Lee has not been Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, or even Garrett Gilbert. I hope this changes.
Jordan Jefferson isn't Vince Young, Tommy Frazier, or even Pat White.
quote:LSU doesn't, and Shepard isn't.
If LSU ran a system based primarily around running QBs, Russell Shepard would be the starter.
It doesn't matter that Jefferson is not a great rushing QB. It doesn't matter that Jefferson is not a great passing QB. That's not the issue.
Jefferson combined his rushing with his passing, such as it is, and the sum total is greater than Lee.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:21 pm to UnluckyTiger
quote:No. That's a pretty myopic view. A QBs primary goal is help his team win the game. You can win the game rushing or you can win the game passing.
Im sorry but a Qbs primary goal is to offer a passing game.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:32 pm to just me
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No. That's a pretty myopic view. A QBs primary goal is help his team win the game. You can win the game rushing or you can win the game passing.
well lets look at the situation in total then, shall we...to avoid such "limited" views.
Year/Rushing/Passing/TotalYDS
2010/2438/2023/4461
2009/1596/2363/3959
2008/2168/2617/4785
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. A throwing qb allows the RB's, whose job it is to carry the ball to gain more yards.
Thanks for allowing us this teachable moment in team effort to win!
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:33 pm to Cadello
quote:Well in all fairness he had pretty much ALL of 2008 to show improvement and he didnt' do it. Like Jefferson he had flashes of brilliance but consistancy was not a strong suit. Otherwise I am happy for him and truly think that we have the same opportunities for success with him as with Jefferson.
wish we would have given him more time to develop
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/2/11 at 1:51 pm to CptBengal
quote:You're a funny little boy, aren't you.
well lets look at the situation in total then, shall we...to avoid such "limited" views.
Year/Rushing/Passing/TotalYDS
2010/2438/2023/4461
2009/1596/2363/3959
2008/2168/2617/4785
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. A throwing qb allows the RB's, whose job it is to carry the ball to gain more yards.
Thanks for allowing us this teachable moment in team effort to win!
You rush in to try to win arguments with the adults, but you trip over your own feet in the process
You lost track of the goal even though you quoted it. Let me re-quote if for you:
quote:So now let's look at your post again and use the goal of winning to analyze the years:
A QBs primary goal is help his team win the game.
Year Wins
2010 11
2009 9
2008 8
We don't need a bell to spot or announce the winner.
Thanks for allowing me this teachable moment. I hope you were paying attention.
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