re: I support LSU so I guess I'm an O supporter.

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There is a ton of uncertainty/criticism/doubt surrounding the program right now, and unfortunately there aren't enough positives happening to swing the masses. The feelings of mistrust, uncertainty, anger and pessimism stem from that. It is going to be a long off-season, but CEO, players and staff should take pride in knowing that winning is the quickest/easiest way to turn people around. Do what you say you are going to do, and win games. Its that simple.

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I agree with everything you are saying, and like you I am skeptical that O can pull it off; however, I'm hoping he does because losing stinks. I hope he does because it will help LSU.

And I don't intend to sit around on some kind of death watch to repost the same stale narrative about O, his mistakes he's made, and all the other stuff.

I will say the BS coming from the Ops Center needs to be shut down. All these coaching rumors whether true or not need to stop. Compare us to Bama. They lose coaches all the time, but it's kept under wraps. Issues aren't out there on the street. There is one message and the HC controls that message.

O needs to learn that.

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I agree with all of that. But I also would have put Auburn in the probable loss category this year abd we won.

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That game seems to always favor the home team.

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Basically what I’m saying is anything can happen.

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Absolutely, but I think you have to start at 8-4 or 7-5, which is scary. When's the last time we went into a season with 8-4 or 7-5 being the baseline?

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I will say the BS coming from the Ops Center needs to be shut down.

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Couldn't agree more, baw. Knowing how tough the climate is, and the amount of pressure that is going to be on CEO this season, admin/ops should be doing everything in their power to run a tight ship.

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his mistakes he's made

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Although I agree theres a ton of stale narratives, I think people do need to hold him accountable when he lies to the media/fans and makes grandiose statements that he ends up not following through on. That hurts the program and hurts with recruiting (which obviously hurts the future).

You guys are smarter than me.

How can you determine all of this without knowing how good Brennan is going to do? What about the JC OT? Is he the real deal or a stiff? Are our WRs about to break out or is that BS?

And our D, is it going to be legit behind some new bodies, Fehoko, and Shelvin? And how are the CBs going to do? Who wins the gig opposite Greedy?
We have a ton of unknowns, and I for one am anxious to see if all this emphasis on hiring proven, top shelf position coaches is going to translate into better things. But then we have the A word, ATTRITION.That killed us last year, will we have it again?

Right now I have us 7-5, but we aren't playing right now. Hope springs eternal, and yes if O had shown better I'd predict better but he hasn't.

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I think people do need to hold him accountable when he lies to the media/fans and makes grandiose statements that he ends up not following through on. That hurts the program and hurts with recruiting (which obviously hurts the future).

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Honestly, I think some people take what coaches say at press conferences too seriously. It's all coach speak bullshite. And at a job like LSU, anyone that is hired will tell you their goal is to win championships, make the playoffs, whatever. Orgeron was also put in a position to defend his job from day 1, which isn't exactly typical for a bran new coach to have to do. The majority of the fanbase, myself included, was pissed off that the admin fired Les Miles to do nothing but promote Orgeron. Orgeron was forced to sell the fanbase of why he deserved the job not only for himself but also to defend Joe Alleva's incompetency. It was just a shitty situation for all parties and IMO put him in a position to make promises that may or may not have even been possible to keep but were made, if for no other reason, but to cool the jets on the Tiger lynch mob. Not to sound like a cliche, but "hope" is a powerful thing, for better or worse.

Part of a coach's job is, unfortunately, is politicking. For every coach who lives up to promises they made during press conferences, there are 10 coaches who don't. Every coach in America hired to be the head coach of a P5 school is going to make promises and predict success that the vast majority will never keep and never live up to. That's just the nature of the sport and the job. There will be 6 new head coaches in this conference next year. I'm sure all of them have said things to promote themselves and the future success of their programs. It will be literally impossible for all 6 to live up to those promises.

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Orgeron was also put in a position to defend his job from day 1, which isn't exactly typical for a bran new coach to have to do. The majority of the fanbase, myself included, was pissed off that the admin fired Les Miles to do nothing but promote Orgeron. Orgeron was forced to sell the fanbase of why he deserved the job not only for himself but also to defend Joe Alleva's incompetency. It was just a shitty situation for all parties and IMO put him in a position to make promises that may or may not have even been possible to keep but were made, if for no other reason, but to cool the jets on the Tiger lynch mob.

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Well said. And the problem is, when you have a tiger mob waiting to pounce, and you don't come through on those promises, or aren't very good at politicking at the podium - the mob gets worse, bigger and louder. Thats exactly what we are seeing right here, right now.

Couple in things like a last second bowl loss, and a last second high-profile recruit flipping to alabama and its a recipe for a very, very rough off-season.

True, and some will step up like Ga and Auburn did last year and some will fall apart like Florida and Tennessee did.