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re: I keep hearing all these kids on here saying Miles has underperformed here
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:00 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:00 pm to ballscaster
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Saban with only Saban's players at LSU: .750 . . . I'm implying nothing. I'm only providing the numbers and inviting you to do whatever you will with them.
Maybe it would clarify your "numbers" if you pointed out what you consider a coach's "players." Most fans would regard a coach's 4th season as the beginning of "his players." In Saban's case at LSU that would be '03. Hence, his record with "his players" was 22-4 (84.6%).
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:00 pm to Tigerinthehollow
We are LSU and all I care about is the future. If Miles can't handle criticism then he shouldn't be a D1 coach
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:02 pm to Coonass
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NFL. But I digress... CLM is a great man. Personally have tons of respect for him. As an evaluator of personnel, I look at him and think he's underperforming. I'm not impressed with his wins against cup cakes. And I'm not impressed when he steals a win from the jaws of a loss where the game should not have been close. His style is stale and needs a refresh.
and here we go again....now it's cupcakes. Shall I look at top 25 wins by each program over the last 9 years? You sure you want to go there? lol It literally amazes me how people ignore the great results of LSU over the past 9 years.......all those wins, and while Alabama has routinely played a much easier schedule than LSU.....just makes me shake my head at the ignorance level.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:04 pm to ballscaster
and he just lost to au and olmiss and ok, while the other just lost to ol miss and au and msst?
fire 'em both!
fire 'em both!
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:04 pm to AlwysATgr
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Most fans would regard a coach's 4th season as the
LMMFAO......he would have coached players that he recruited and they would have been in the NFL already, yet they weren't his players. OMG.....you can't make this up.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:06 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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yes, because no other team is paying their coach a boat load right? It is fricking amazing to me. You guys fail to realize other programs are just as fanatic, recruit just as well, and pay their coaches as much or more....yet only LSU should win it all right.....ignorance at its best.
Did I say he is the only one making that? Does it make him less accountable? How many of them have his time management skills?
Chik fil a bowl was not a successful season with the talent we had
Iowa in outback was not a successful season
This year is not a successful season.
If these are acceptable to you then we agree to disagree. And we can probably deliver that for less than 4.4 million and that person might know it is possible to call a timeout when the chains are moving (amazing but true)!
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:09 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Tigerinthehollow
I don't think you understand the discussion.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:11 pm to Coonass
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This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:11 pm to igoringa
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Did I say he is the only one making that? Does it make him less accountable? How many of them have his time management skills? Chik fil a bowl was not a successful season with the talent we had Iowa in outback was not a successful season This year is not a successful season. If these are acceptable to you then we agree to disagree. And we can probably deliver that for less than 4.4 million and that person might know it is possible to call a timeout when the chains are moving (amazing but true)!
When I read posts like these.....I can't help think of small minds....I'm sorry. You guys act like he is the only one that makes mistakes out there. It's because you only focus on him, and don't focus on the other coaches errors....including the great saban, who makes mistakes all the time.....just think, if Miles didn't make mistakes, why he might just be the greatest coach in the history of college football.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:11 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Tigerinthehollow
I get the need for people to clutch the security blanket of statistics and comparing LSU to Bama and every other school.
I'd rather measure CLM against the expectations of LSU and the inherent advantages the University and State offers him.
Some cruise through life perfectly happy with above average results. Others question, probe and find ways to take above average and make it great. The measuring stick for LSU football should be set high, not low.
CLM has done an above average job, but he's squandered a ton too. I get the sense many people think the same way. Again, I hope he fixes the issue before that thought creeps into the locker room.
I get the need for people to clutch the security blanket of statistics and comparing LSU to Bama and every other school.
I'd rather measure CLM against the expectations of LSU and the inherent advantages the University and State offers him.
Some cruise through life perfectly happy with above average results. Others question, probe and find ways to take above average and make it great. The measuring stick for LSU football should be set high, not low.
CLM has done an above average job, but he's squandered a ton too. I get the sense many people think the same way. Again, I hope he fixes the issue before that thought creeps into the locker room.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:15 pm to AlwysATgr
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I don't think you understand the discussion.
I understand it perfectly....I think it is fkn hilarious how ignorant you are trying to spin this.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:20 pm to Katy Tiger
Katy Tiger
Leave him be. He's a recent member to the board and will likely be banned soon.
Leave him be. He's a recent member to the board and will likely be banned soon.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:26 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Spin what? I was offering a clarifier to ballscaster's numbers. He showed Saban's record with "Saban's Players" as .750. That's for a single season, '04 (9-3), i.e., Saban's 5th season as our coach.
I'm suggesting that a more accurate approach to show a coach's record with "his players" would be to consider a coach's 4th season and following. That's when the roster is filled mostly with players he recruited, not the previous coach.
Obviously, there may have been some '99 RS's still on the '03 roster. I haven't gone back to see how many there were of these. But I suspect that the '03 roster was mostly Saban's recruits.
I'm suggesting that a more accurate approach to show a coach's record with "his players" would be to consider a coach's 4th season and following. That's when the roster is filled mostly with players he recruited, not the previous coach.
Obviously, there may have been some '99 RS's still on the '03 roster. I haven't gone back to see how many there were of these. But I suspect that the '03 roster was mostly Saban's recruits.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:26 pm to Katy Tiger
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Tigerinthehollow - sorry you are too stupid to understand the point that W/L record isn't everything when evaluating a coach's performance
Well, I'm guilty....I'm sorry if I look at the bottom line, which in football is wins and losses. Period. If Miles were to suck it up for 2-3 years, then by all means, get rid of his azz....he hasn't come close to doing that.
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It seems every day you love to call out mutliple people for being the worst poster on the board. This blustering isn't fooling anyone. You must be a truly miserable human being.
I'm a very happy human being. You seem upset that I look at the overall big picture, and don't get upset at the short-term lows. You are, without a doubt, one of the worst/most negative posters on this board, and it isn't even close.
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And - I'll bet you that I make more $$$ than you. Name your bet, but be pepared to provide proof.
When I see posts like this, it lets me know what kind of person that I'm actually dealing with. I have no idea how much money you make, nor do I care. I am in my 40's and retired....I used to live out in your neck of the woods...back in the late 90's......with one of the former big firms there.....got into an IPO....and the rest is history. If it makes you happy to think you make more than me...by all means, be my guest. I just don't see you as a big picture guy...a leader. I see you as a small minded individual who gets worked up over short-term lulls.....jmo
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:28 pm to AlwysATgr
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I'm suggesting that a more accurate approach to show a coach's record with "his players" would be to consider a coach's 4th season
and I think that is pretty stupid, especially given the 3 and done crowd. I don't put the first year on a coach...but you are saying that Saban in year two and three at bama should not get credit and it should go to shula...or is it different for Miles and Saban? Just curious.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:30 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Fair enough. Almost as good as Miles did with Saban's players (34-6, .850). Very impressive numbers by Saban.
Maybe it would clarify your "numbers" if you pointed out what you consider a coach's "players." Most fans would regard a coach's 4th season as the beginning of "his players." In Saban's case at LSU that would be '03. Hence, his record with "his players" was 22-4 (84.6%).
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:33 pm to Coonass
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Leave him be. He's a recent member to the board and will likely be banned soon.
Based upon? I'm not out here bashing players, coaches, etc....in fact, I'm doing just the opposite. As far as being a new member...I've been reading this board for years....I know the poster's styles, the ignorance level of each, etc....the only thing new is that I signed up...got sick of the ignorant bashing.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:35 pm to Coonass
Coonass- roger that - I'll drop it and move on.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:36 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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I don't put the first year on a coach...but you are saying that Saban in year two and three at bama should not get credit and it should go to shula...or is it different for Miles and Saban? Just curious.
I don't care who gets credit for what (I mean, I have an opinion but that's not germane to the thread). I was only trying to clarify the numbers ballscaster reported.
The '02 roster would still have had an 'entire' DiNardo recruiting class on it. The '03 wouldn't. Note: it's not the 3 and done that affect the normalization for comparing how coaches do with the players they recruit.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 5:40 pm to AlwysATgr
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The '02 roster would still have had an 'entire' DiNardo recruiting class on it. The '03 wouldn't. Note: it's not the 3 and done that affect the normalization for comparing how coaches do with the players they recruit.
agreed, my point though is that in the third year, most programs these days should have about 80% to 85% of their own players, given attrition, etc....
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