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re: I keep hearing all these kids on here saying Miles has underperformed here
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:02 pm to blackjackjackson
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:02 pm to blackjackjackson
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and he just lost to au and olmiss and ok, while the other just lost to ol miss and au and msst?
And the way they lost and the point differential?
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Posted on 10/10/14 at 6:45 am to bkirby2
In the past when Defense ruled the SEC it was all about Miles and Saban and the 9-6 Game of the Century. The earth turned on it's axis and the SEC West has become more powerful through change. It is dominated by 5 teams running modern high-scoring spread option/read option, up tempo offenses that rely on misdirection and quick thinking Dual Threat QBs.
The SEC West battle is between 5 teams fighting it out to see whose offense can score the most pts. That means that spread offenses have the tactical advantage and no defense has or will shut them down.
Miles past success could have been better if he had remained the offensive risk taker and been the leader of the change rather than the last to accept it. He keeps "defending" his old school Big D approach and maybe this thread is defending his old school approach. No argument in the past he was a success and if he and his staff want to be relevant this year they have to put Harris in the shotgun and run a modern offense. Even Saban hired Kiffin to try and modernize his offense and stay relevant. They run 50% of their plays up tempo and they are recruiting smaller faster players.
The SEC West battle is between 5 teams fighting it out to see whose offense can score the most pts. That means that spread offenses have the tactical advantage and no defense has or will shut them down.
Miles past success could have been better if he had remained the offensive risk taker and been the leader of the change rather than the last to accept it. He keeps "defending" his old school Big D approach and maybe this thread is defending his old school approach. No argument in the past he was a success and if he and his staff want to be relevant this year they have to put Harris in the shotgun and run a modern offense. Even Saban hired Kiffin to try and modernize his offense and stay relevant. They run 50% of their plays up tempo and they are recruiting smaller faster players.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:31 am to SEC Grapevine
I don't think anyone can honestly look at the landscape of the west and say it hasn't changed. These schools have better coaches who are actually recruiting to and attempting to run somewhat innovative schemes. They have more talent, A&M is now in the mix, and all are committed to improving their facilities etc.
When Miles came here it was beat Tuberville and UF. Then Saban came into the picture and Bama replaced AU. Now each school has a coach that is imo a significant upgrade as to who was there before.
It's not so much that he has underperformed (that's arguable) since he's been here it's that I don't see him being able to maintain winning like he has in the past. Has he earned a 5-7 season? Maybe. He's not going to get run off this year for sure. But why are you guys willing to accept it like it's par for the course? With LSU's resources going 5-7 is bullshite and getting skullfricked in these conference games is bullshite too if you're honest with yourselves.
Could you under any circumstances see Bama having a 5-7 season while Saban is there? I honestly don't. With their recruiting and resources. Why not? Why are they different than LSU?
You wait through two or three "rebuilding" seasons and then decide "ok- maybe there's a problem" then watch how long it takes to get the train back on the rails.
When Miles came here it was beat Tuberville and UF. Then Saban came into the picture and Bama replaced AU. Now each school has a coach that is imo a significant upgrade as to who was there before.
It's not so much that he has underperformed (that's arguable) since he's been here it's that I don't see him being able to maintain winning like he has in the past. Has he earned a 5-7 season? Maybe. He's not going to get run off this year for sure. But why are you guys willing to accept it like it's par for the course? With LSU's resources going 5-7 is bullshite and getting skullfricked in these conference games is bullshite too if you're honest with yourselves.
Could you under any circumstances see Bama having a 5-7 season while Saban is there? I honestly don't. With their recruiting and resources. Why not? Why are they different than LSU?
You wait through two or three "rebuilding" seasons and then decide "ok- maybe there's a problem" then watch how long it takes to get the train back on the rails.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 7:33 am
Posted on 10/10/14 at 7:47 am to Tigerinthehollow
My entire issue with Les Miles has been with the offense. I have watched it and can say that it has stunk for the last 7 years and shows no sign of improving. Last year's team had better numbers, but only because of an incredible amount of talent and experience, not because the offense was particularly well designed or coaches came up with great game plans.
Let's face it. LSU's offense has depended on the defense being top 10 in order to have any success.
Let's face it. LSU's offense has depended on the defense being top 10 in order to have any success.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:07 am to mmcgrath
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My entire issue with Les Miles has been with the offense. I have watched it and can say that it has stunk for the last 7 years and shows no sign of improving. Last year's team had better numbers, but only because of an incredible amount of talent and experience, not because the offense was particularly well designed or coaches came up with great game plans.
Everyone keeps touting last years offensive numbers to point to the success of this scheme. And last year our 3rd down numbers were amazing. But I wonder how often LSU was running into a brick wall on 1st and 2nd down and then Mett hitting OB or JL on third and long to convert? I'd be curious to see.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 8:08 am
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:10 am to mmcgrath
Fully agree with previous 2 posts. All you have to do is use CFBStats to see that LSU with Miles has always been one of the lowest scoring teams, no offense, no offensive scheme, no emphasis on QB. Last year with a JUCO QB we had an "overachieving offense" for LSU built around 4 players: Mett, Beckham, Landry, and Hill. It was not innovative. Beginning in 2010 with Cam Newton, the avg pts/game and offensive output has corresponded with spread option offenses. When A&M joined the SEC it raised that ceiling even higher. Now the avg pts/game in the SEC West is 15 pts higher than it was in 2011, but LSU has remained far below avg. and we rank last in the SEC West. We have the 2nd ranked spread option/read option QB in the nation and Miles says "The quarterbacks we brought in are to run our offense, spread or not. There's an athletic piece in their abilities to operate in the spread facet of our offense."
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:20 am to nm1230
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Could you under any circumstances see Bama having a 5-7 season while Saban is there? I honestly don't
Yet you have already booked LSU for a 5-7 season, without giving the man a chance to finish strong. Nice.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:22 am to lsu2006
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Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:26 am to mmcgrath
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My entire issue with Les Miles has been with the offense. I have watched it and can say that it has stunk for the last 7 years and shows no sign of improving. Last year's team had better numbers, but only because of an incredible amount of talent and experience, not because the offense was particularly well designed or coaches came up with great game plans. Let's face it. LSU's offense has depended on the defense being top 10 in order to have any success.
It's funny though, you guys see the new shiny toy, and want it. Doesn't matter if the toy doesn't have a long shelf life, and is generally not build to last. The Alabama fans are up in arms...the LSU fans are up in arms.....the football world is leaving them behind...etc., etc., etc.,.......yet when you look back over the last 10 years.....who is at the top? Some of you guys say well things have changed...yes, they have, temporarily....but that's just it....this is gimmick.....I, just like you, would like a more balanced, innovative offense. However, we can still do that with a power, pro style offense. I truly believe those type offenses will have a HUGE advantage over all the defenses built to stop a spread....and make no mistake, defenses will catch up to the spread.....it is the test of time....the one offense that works through it all....the pro style, power running game. When executed properly, it cannot be stopped.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:48 am to Tigerinthehollow
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Could you under any circumstances see Bama having a 5-7 season while Saban is there? I honestly don't
Yet you have already booked LSU for a 5-7 season, without giving the man a chance to finish strong. Nice.
Ok- it wasn't meant as a literal prediction. My point is what is acceptable for a rebuilding year? And how many rebuilding years in a row are acceptable? Plug in whatever record you find acceptable and answer the question. So many here are willing to accept a 5-7 or 6-6 season but would you expect it from Bama? And why?
And to be clear I think 6 wins is probably the max for this team. And yes, I have no faith in the man to finish strong at this point. There isn't going to be a "re-draft" of NFL defections, a drastic change in offensive production, or a stud playmaker like TM7 to bail us out when we're stuck in 1st gear.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 9:02 am
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:53 am to nm1230
you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I think you are wrong about 6-6, but I guess time will tell. You could certainly be right.
As for Bama, I think they have their own issues. If Arkansas were to beat them this week, watch out.
As for Bama, I think they have their own issues. If Arkansas were to beat them this week, watch out.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:57 am to Tigerinthehollow
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you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I think you are wrong about 6-6, but I guess time will tell. You could certainly be right.
As for Bama, I think they have their own issues. If Arkansas were to beat them this week, watch out.
You aren't interested in answering the original question?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:00 am to nm1230
With our schedule & a young team I think we will finish 6&6 
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:02 am to nm1230
what is it? You had several question marks.
I'm not so concerned with the record, as I am HOW LSU finishes. Do all these freshmen start gelling? Do we see improvement at the QB position? Does Beckwith start taking over at MLB. Do we see our young DT's really start coming on. Or, do we see this team quit? Record matters, but if they are playing hard, and competitive, then it's not the end all.
No, if LSU goes backwards again next year, or isn't significantly improved...that's enough. For me anyway.
I'm not so concerned with the record, as I am HOW LSU finishes. Do all these freshmen start gelling? Do we see improvement at the QB position? Does Beckwith start taking over at MLB. Do we see our young DT's really start coming on. Or, do we see this team quit? Record matters, but if they are playing hard, and competitive, then it's not the end all.
No, if LSU goes backwards again next year, or isn't significantly improved...that's enough. For me anyway.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:27 am to Tigerinthehollow
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what is it? You had several question marks.
The question is this: Could you honestly see Bama under Saban with a 5-7 or 6-6 rebuilding year? Why or why not?
I'll wait for your answer and then make my point.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:30 am to GeorgeWest
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nonrational
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:47 am to nm1230
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The question is this: Could you honestly see Bama under Saban with a 5-7 or 6-6 rebuilding year? Why or why not? I'll wait for your answer and then make my point.
He went 7-6 in 2007?
Also - consider this:
Theoretically, what happens next year if:
- Amari Cooper goes pro. They will have lost 3 WR's, will have 3 new ones next year
- Yeldon and Drake both go pro, they will have lost 2 of their best RB's
- Jake Coker graduates early and transfers to a school with a top 20 MBA program to get a 1 year scholarship because he ain't going pro in football.
You would essentially be replacing every player skill player on offense.....it's entirely conceivable that they look as shitty as LSU does this year.
Would their fans be bitching that we don't run a chip Kelly offense
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:52 am to ironsides
2007 was his first year there. He's rebuilding another coach's mess that got shircanned. Not comparable.
And, I don't see them going 5-7 or 6-6 even if your crystal ball laundry list happens.
And, I don't see them going 5-7 or 6-6 even if your crystal ball laundry list happens.
This post was edited on 10/10/14 at 9:54 am
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:25 am to josh336
quote:Doesn't it anger you that after all the money you've given and after all the hoping you've done, that LSU doesn't call te plays you want them to call? If I were you, I would do something about that. You're far too important to be ignored by the program like that. Sorry, but I hate when people don't get the respect they have earned.
I give money to taf, but I don't think that should be a pre-requisite to bitch about the team and coaching on this site.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:28 am to T4 tiger
quote:^^^Negatiger claiming moral victories.
The numbers don't accurately reflect Miles performance.
Losers. 
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