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re: I hope Mett is half as good as Jamarcus.....Check this video out
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:47 pm to Moustache
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:47 pm to Moustache
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I can see criticism of his work ethic in the NFL. But this mental game bullshite is just that. bullshite.
You just completely contradicted yourself. Work ethic and drive is a mental talent.
JR didn't have to have much of a mental game in college. He was loaded with NFL WR's at LSU - Doucet, Bowe, Davis, Lafell.
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Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:48 pm to Moustache
Did you see that beauty at 2:36?
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:48 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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While not as big as JR, Jones was plenty big and a better overall athlete. Who was more talented? I don't know but no one is "full of shite" if they choose the guy who won an NFL MVP and whose physical capabilities have been compared favorably to John Elway's.
JR's size was better, his arm was stronger, and he was faster than Jones.
Talent-wise, JR is the best by FAAAARRR.
I didn't say best NFL QB.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:49 pm to Moustache
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We would've easily been ahead to force arky to pass instead of run had Flynn not basically fricking sucked. (22 of 47?)
and no turnovers. 385 rushing yards allowed is pathetic. we had no answer for arkansas all. day. long. hard to blame it on flynn when the defense can't stop anyone. even when arkansas did have to pass, our defense shite the bed. i seem to remember a 4 and long where casey dick spent all day in the pocket only to complete a pass to a (Jim Hawthorn) wide open receiver.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:49 pm to lsufball19
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ever said it did, but i don't remember many people outside the lsu fan base being surprised he ended up a gigantic bust. he never had the work ethic, stop kidding yourself. kid had a boatload of talent, prob the most ever at lsu, and had a great college career, but you can;t out talent people in the nfl, and that's why jamarcus failed as an nfl qb.
He obviously worked hard in college. he stayed in shape and improved greatly every year he was here. He got paid and got lazy, sure. But how can you even know how hard he worked when he was here.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:50 pm to lsufball19
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385 rushing yards allowed is pathetic. we had no answer for arkansas all. day. long. hard to blame it on flynn when the defense can't stop anyone.
I remember Arky turning it over and us getting some early stops.
WE couldn't turn it into fricking points. 385 yards rushing is pathetic, BUT they wouldn't have even had the opportunity to run if Flynn could've thrown for 50%.
Both games we lost he was way below 50% of his passes with a very low ypa.
I have no doubt if JR was QB in 07 that we wouldn't have lost a game, let alone 2.
This post was edited on 8/15/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:51 pm to Tiger Vision
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Did you see that beauty at 2:36?
Not any worse than flynn's million picks against bama in 07 or Mauck's pick 6 against Ole Miss in 03.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:52 pm to Moustache
it's very clear that a large portion of the people in this thread are clearly biased against JR.
If JR was white, he would have excuses of "well, he had to play for the Raiders" and "he was great here and just didn't have a running game in 05 and 06"
If JR was white, he would have excuses of "well, he had to play for the Raiders" and "he was great here and just didn't have a running game in 05 and 06"
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:55 pm to Moustache
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WE couldn't turn it into fricking points
Flynn threw 3 TDs and ran for another. When your QB gets you 4 TDs and the defense gives up 385 yards rushing, the loss isn't on the QB.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:55 pm to Moustache
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If JR was white, he would have excuses of "well, he had to play for the Raiders" and "he was great here and just didn't have a running game in 05 and 06"
oh please. everyone loved rohan davey and hated booty, and iirc he was black and booty was white
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:55 pm to GeauxWarTigers
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Whoah, whoah, whoah. That game was on Pelini.
Go rewatch the 1st quarter. If Flynn didn't fricktard around and just scored the points off the gifts that Arky gave us, then there is no 385 rushing yards to give up because Arky would've been forced to pass.
Though, Pelini's D was getting fricking pathetic there towards the end of the season.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:57 pm to lsufball19
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h please. everyone loved rohan davey and hated booty, and iirc he was black and booty was white
It's not that. Everyone assumed JR was "not a student of the game" because he was black.
yet, Flynn and Mauck are considered "heady" "game managers" "smart" even though they made a LOT more mistakes than JR.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:58 pm to GeauxWarTigers
Yeah if it wasn't for Flynn we would've never been in the game(3ot)the whole time.....Bad coaching!!!!! 
Gooood luck Flynn at Seattle
Gooood luck Flynn at Seattle
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:59 pm to Moustache
"JR's size was better,"
Agreed, but how big do you have to be? Diminishing return at a point.
"his arm was stronger"
Not at all sure this is true and at any rate, you're picking nits because you're talking about two of the strongest arms ever to throw a football. Plus, overall arm talent - throwing from differnt positions and arm angles, etc. - probaly is where Jones had an edge even though JR was no slouch here, either.
"he was faster than Jones."
I would be shocked if this were true. Jones could run!
by the way, it was funny that you mentioned Stafford because he compared by some to ... Bert Jones when he was coming out of Ga.
Anyway, it is obvious that Jones was a better pro but the OP said that anyone who did not believe that JR was the most talented LSU QB was "full of shite." This assertion does not hold water when one considers how physically gifted Jones was.
Google "Bert Jones arm strength" - it pops up as about the third option when you type "Bert Jones" and be educated.
Finally, this is from Wiki, but note the quotes:
He (Jones) possessed one of the strongest arms ever to play in the NFL. Many observers believe that only John Elway, Brett Favre and Doug Williams have had similar arm strength. Bert was reportedly able to throw the ball nearly 100 yards in the air in his prime. The widely respected scout Ernie Accorsi is quoted as saying that if Bert Jones had played under different circumstances, he probably would have been the greatest player ever. John Riggins has been quoted as saying Bert was the toughest competitor he has ever witnessed. On the eve of Super Bowl XLII New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, in discussing his choices for the greatest quarterbacks of all time, described Jones as the best "pure passer" he ever saw.
Agreed, but how big do you have to be? Diminishing return at a point.
"his arm was stronger"
Not at all sure this is true and at any rate, you're picking nits because you're talking about two of the strongest arms ever to throw a football. Plus, overall arm talent - throwing from differnt positions and arm angles, etc. - probaly is where Jones had an edge even though JR was no slouch here, either.
"he was faster than Jones."
I would be shocked if this were true. Jones could run! by the way, it was funny that you mentioned Stafford because he compared by some to ... Bert Jones when he was coming out of Ga.
Anyway, it is obvious that Jones was a better pro but the OP said that anyone who did not believe that JR was the most talented LSU QB was "full of shite." This assertion does not hold water when one considers how physically gifted Jones was.
Google "Bert Jones arm strength" - it pops up as about the third option when you type "Bert Jones" and be educated.
Finally, this is from Wiki, but note the quotes:
He (Jones) possessed one of the strongest arms ever to play in the NFL. Many observers believe that only John Elway, Brett Favre and Doug Williams have had similar arm strength. Bert was reportedly able to throw the ball nearly 100 yards in the air in his prime. The widely respected scout Ernie Accorsi is quoted as saying that if Bert Jones had played under different circumstances, he probably would have been the greatest player ever. John Riggins has been quoted as saying Bert was the toughest competitor he has ever witnessed. On the eve of Super Bowl XLII New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick, in discussing his choices for the greatest quarterbacks of all time, described Jones as the best "pure passer" he ever saw.
This post was edited on 8/15/12 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/15/12 at 2:00 pm to Elleshoe
I agree with this 100%, the dude was a stud at LSU, had he stayed one more, he would have the national championship, instead he decided to cash out, good for him. Even though he blew his career in a couple of years, his work ethic and talent, displayed at LSU, still earned him more money than 99% of people in the entire world.
Jamarcus says: "thank you very little"
Jamarcus says: "thank you very little"
Posted on 8/15/12 at 2:00 pm to Budroar
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Gooood luck Flynn at Seattle
Honestly, as a seahawks fan, I'm hoping Jackson gets the gig. He was making pretty good strides last season.
Matt just doesn't have the arm to make all the plays needed in the NFL.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 2:01 pm to Moustache
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Flynn and Mauck are considered "heady" "game managers" "smart" even though they made a LOT more mistakes than JR.
people say jamarcus wasn't a student of the game because it became apparent he flat out sucked in the nfl. a lot of players can out talent everyone in college without having to be all that smart. look at vince young, one of the greatest college players the last 20 years. how's his career in the nfl going?
i'll say matt mauck is smart because he's a fricking practicing dentist.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 2:01 pm to Moustache
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385 rushing yards allowed is pathetic. we had no answer for arkansas all. day. long. hard to blame it on flynn when the defense can't stop anyone.
I was there and for the first 30 minutes Arkansas didn't do shite with the exception of one drive and LSU's offense had chance after chance to put them away and just kept coming up short (LSU's offense got 6 points in the first half after getting the ball on the Ark 25, LSU 50, LSU 44). The offense lost us that game as Arkansas should have been looking at a 10-14 point deficit rather than a 1 point lead at halftime not to mention the 8 damn punts.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 2:02 pm to Moustache
and hopefully not 3 interceptions in one game.
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