re: I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all

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But if they DON'T, You are gonna say the 2007 team was better JUST cause they won a TITLE?????

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Yes, they were better for me because it was a great season that culminated in a title and great moments in LSU football history.

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I could care less about stats. This 2011 team would CRUSH the 2007 team . Sorry its true.

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I don't disagree, that's not my argument

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I have NOT given even 1 stat this whole thread.

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But yet you continually jump the shark by making arguments that I'm not making. We were comparing the 2006 to the 2007 team, in my mind the 2007 team was better because they won it all, the 2006 team had no championships, Jamarcus Russell also had no championships. You took that argument and translated it to the 2011 team. If the 2011 team wins it all they will no doubt be the best team.

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While I commend your effort, you are losing the argument.

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I won almost every major point.

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No, it's all opinion. There will never be anything definitive.

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THERE YA GO!!!!!

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You are gonna say the 2007 team was better JUST cause they won a TITLE?????

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Yes, they were better for me because it was a great season that culminated in a title and great moments in LSU football history.

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Analytical reasoning at it's finest, folks.

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2005 USC v. 2011 LSU

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Do you mean 2004 USC that won the title in 2005?

That's a Tough one.

2004 USC was dominant but didn't play a defense anywhere near the caliber of 2011 LSU.

no 2005 that didn't, but had the best offense ever

I'm not reading this shite. Yeah MF is better on 1/1/12. Between 2005 and 2006 JR was the better QB and was rightfully the starter.

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I would have loved to see one of those teams play a defense like LSU's or Alabama's this season.

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me too

that's why it's an interesting debate (esp if LSU wins it all, while USC didn't)

I think there is a simple point that is missed amid all of the name calling and revisionist history. And that point is simply that there were many of us who recognized Matt Flynn was a superior quarterback way back in the day, and argued that he should have been the starter -- yes, the starter -- over JR. And now that they have both had the opportunity to show what they can do, Matt Flynn has proven himself to be the better QB. So yes, there is a degree of vindication there.

The same group of folks who are trying to tell us that Matt Flynn might be better today but JR was better in college and deserved to be the starter back then were the same ones who pointed to his projected draft status and the comments of everyone who told us what a superstar JR was and how well he would do in the NFL -- coaches, pro scouts, etc. -- let's call them the conventional wisdom. Well, the conventional wisdom was flat out wrong. JR was a total bust in the NFL. You see, it's hard to accept the criticism of the conventional wisdom when they were wrong, and we were right.

JR was a tremendous physical talent. I really don't know anything about his mental prowess, except to say that he seemed to make quite a few bad decisions that placed LSU at a disadvantage and then required some fourth quarter heroics to win the game. Sometimes he was able to deliver those heroics, sometimes not. I do think that he improved over time and actually made fewer errors in 2006 than he made in 2005. And he did lead LSU to several successful seasons, and he should be applauded for that. Whether he could have lead LSU to a National Championship in 2007 is largely a matter of speculation, and is little better than trying to project what LSU might have done with MF at qb in 2005 and 2006 instead of JR.

For that reason, I really don't care to engage in arguments or discussions about why JR failed, or why he was a better college qb but didn't make it in the pros. They're excuses, really.

The bottom line is Matt Flynn was and is a winner. Call it work ethic, smarts, leadership, whatever, I don't care. He represents the university with dignity and class. He's a class act all the way around.

You are wrong again. Flynn was always better than Russell. Miles made a promised Russell he would start if he would commit to LSU. Who won the national title?