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re: I forgot how much I hate USC

Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:27 am to
Posted by justsaygeaux2
Member since Feb 2017
2210 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:27 am to
Their cheerleaders are fricking hot, however....
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
7352 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:27 am to
Honestly, though, I would have paid my salary to see that game. They should have made it happen, but the politics that be back then took over. Smh
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
7352 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:28 am to
Southern California gurls!
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6707 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:29 am to
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a whole 5 years went by where the BCS champion was THE winner of the football season. until the LA based AP pitched a fit and awarded their trophy to USC after they were left out of the top 2 for the title game.


Exactly.

Check this list of past championship and look at the right column. Hmmmm. BooHoo, you can't leave out USC from the BCS championship game, we'll just crown them anyway even though they didn't even play in the championship game. Waaa. frick the AP

past champs
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 11:30 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:36 am to
quote:

it still wasn't recognized as the championship trophy that year.

Yes it was. Primarily by USC and the AP itself.

Just because YOU don't "recognize" it doesn't mean no one does. After all, you're not everyone, are you? And you know if you had that trophy in your cabinet, you'd most certainly count it.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31141 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:42 am to
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Yes it was. Primarily by USC and the AP itself.



all schools signed off (except 1) on the BCS being recognized as the end all be all championship.

doesn't matter who the AP wanted to give their cute trophy to.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31141 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:45 am to
the whole reason the BCS was invented was to prevent split championships like in the past and to crown the 1 true champion of the college football season.

then the associated press made up of sports writers decided that they didn't like USC being left out and voted for them
Posted by Jim Hopper
Ocean Springs Mississippi
Member since Sep 2019
4354 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:48 am to
wish we would've played them in the rose bowl in 2006.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:49 am to
quote:

"where does the Crystal Ball Live?"

Do you realize that the "crystal ball" is really just the old coaches trophy, organized originally by United Press International, right? That's actually all the BCS was, a system for awarding the AFCA (UPI/Coaches) trophy.

See what it says right under the football...?



Here are Nebraska's crystal football coaches trophies from the 90s, before the BCS:

Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8811 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:53 am to
They still claiming a 2003 championship?

An AP #1 is just as irrelevant under the BCS system as it would be under the CFP system.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6707 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:53 am to
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then the associated press made up of sports writers decided that they didn't like USC being left out and voted for them


Another crazy thing was the fact the AP was included within the BCS polling/ranking system. So when they (the AP) realized they didn't have enough sway to vote in their media darling fUSC, they just appointed them champs anyway. Sad. Look at the past champs link I posted above, That's the only time the AP did it since the inception of the BCS. I suspect we could see it happen again this year. If fUSC doesn't get in and all the playoff teams end up wit 1 or more losses, the AP could easily claim another fUSC championship.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6707 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:54 am to
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before the BCS:


Bingo! You finally figured it out.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 11:58 am to
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all schools signed off (except 1) on the BCS being recognized as the end all be all championship.


All except ONE?

Here's an article written BEFORE the 2003 season:

COLLEGES; University Presidents Rally Against B.C.S.

The president of Tulane, Scott S. Cowen, said yesterday that a coalition of 44 university presidents who feel frozen out of the Bowl Championship Series was not ruling out any options in trying to get rid of it, including a lawsuit claiming antitrust violations.

LINK
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8811 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:00 pm to
Irrelevant
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28039 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:03 pm to
USC is soft as baby shite. Top 4 in SEC would flog them.
Posted by Gene Heinous
the Pleasure Dome
Member since Sep 2021
680 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

quote:
The 2003 split title


there was no "split title" just the BCS title. it's not like they split the trophy in half. one trophy. one title. and it belongs to LSU.



Certain segments of the media still says that there was a split title in '03. It becomes more prevalent the further West that you go.

If you think that the LA media megaphone is bad (which it is) could you imagine the hype if NY city had a college football team?
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:07 pm to
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Bingo! You finally figured it out.

I been figured it out. Look again, this one is LSU's 2003 trophy after beating Oklahoma in the BCS Championship game:



It says "THE COACHES' TROPHY" right on it. The BCS was just an agreement with the AFCA. The AP never signed on, and indeed sued to have their poll taken out of the BCS formula.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6707 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:15 pm to
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It says "THE COACHES' TROPHY" right on it. The BCS was just an agreement with the AFCA. The AP never signed on, and indeed sued to have their poll taken out of the BCS formula.


Again, that doesn't exclude the fact that the trophy given to LSU and LSU ONLY was the trophy awarded to the BCS national Champ that was THE METHOD used in determining the N.C. as voted for by colleges themselves. This is still irrefutable fact. Sorry it doesn't fall in line with your agenda. But nobody, and I mean not a single sole is telling you that you can't consider AP relevant. You do you.

But why stop there. Why don't you consider LSU champs in 1908? They are listed right there on the same link I provided earlier. If we are going to count all "non-official" polls/rankings, then why doesn't 1908 count?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:15 pm to
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Irrelevant

Actually, what's irrelevant is some LSU fans' inability to accept that the 2003 title was shared between LSU and USC.

USC has the 2003 AP trophy in their case, and count it. LSU has the Coaches' Trophy in their case and count it.

The NCAA acknowledges it:

"2003 LSU, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA"

LINK
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15884 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:18 pm to
For what it’s worth, I remember reading an article with a lineman from U of Arizona, the only common opponent on LSU and USC’s schedule. He said that LSU was by far the better team.

Who cares at this point? Let USC have their trophy that was awarded subjectively by a bunch of opinion writers who never participated in the sport. It only serves as a reminder of how far they’ve fallen since.
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