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re: I don't understand this narrative that Ole Miss is some Little Sisters of the Poor program

Posted on 6/16/21 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 2:04 pm to
Some talking head from the Ole Miss side (I didn't catch who he was) - was on Moscona's show yesterday and said that where Ole Miss gets left behind in baseball is financial backing and mainly scholarships. Ole Miss is in terrible shape when it comes to scholarships for baseball. LSU at least has TOPS. Yeah I know, TOPS is basically a joke now and barely covers anything. But even that is more than what some of those guys get playing for Ole Miss.

So I wouldn't say that Ole Miss is "Little Sisters of the Poor" compared to the LSU's, Vandy's, Florida's, etc. of the world. But our school is among some of the most resourceful of college baseball programs nationally. Much more so than Ole Miss.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
99676 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 2:27 pm to
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TOPS is basically a joke now and barely covers anything. But even that is more than what some of those guys get playing for Ole Miss.

A huge advantage ole miss has is the Mississippi state law that allows them to waive out of state tuition

I’d rather that than TOPS for a baseball advantage
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
37515 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 2:58 pm to
If you don’t know the LSU brand in baseball is big. Very big.
It’s the best baseball job there is right now.

Ole Miss is good, but it’s not LSU.

Alabama had won one NC in the 25 years preceding his takeover at Bama. Do you believe he took over a program that was dead, had no cache’ and wasn’t s huge brand? Bama was a sleeping giant.

Right now we are about where Bama was when Saban took over.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
55458 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:12 pm to
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Ole Miss is good, but it’s not LSU.



My point is that Ole Miss and LSU dont have vastly different amounts of resources.

It isn't a lack of resources that is holding Bianco back so bringing him to LSU and expecting him to be much better is asinine.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
37515 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:21 pm to
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It isn't a lack of resources that is holding Bianco back so bringing him to LSU and expecting him to be much better is asinine.

My comments are regarding LSU snd our elite status in baseball.

Bianco is a good coach, but he hasn’t won it all. He’s done well at Old Miss, but not close to what Skip did at LSU.

Could he do better at LSU? Perhaps, but that ship sailed years ago. JMO

I think we can and will do better.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85530 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:28 pm to
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LSU snd our elite status in baseball.
You need to get over thinking LSU is elite. Again, one championship in 20 years the last being 12 years ago. Vandy is a better job. State is a better job. Florida is better in many ways. Texas. We are currently not a top performing program in the SEC. that’s simply reality. We spend a lot. We have a lot of support. We are comparable with most of our player facilities.

Where we struggle is our location and overall facilities. Louisiana isn’t a hotbed like Florida California and Texas. Baton Rouge is not the most desirable place to raise a family. The help with scholarships isn’t as good as other states or institutions. Now, that’s not me calling all that bad or terrible. It’s simply not “elite” like you think it is.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 3:29 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
37515 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:46 pm to
You rail against LSU on a regular basis, I’m not surprised you don’t think we are elite.

But you are consistent. You criticize PM for not winning more NCs, for his record and now you are saying how many disadvantages we have.

We have a poor location, bad environment, bad recruiting base, poor facilities and yet out baseball coach is suppose to get to Omaha every other year or so?

You can’t have it both ways.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85530 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 3:53 pm to
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You rail against LSU on a regular basis
I rail on the facilities. They are not elite by any standard. I rail on the lack of championships. 1 in 20 years isn't elite by any standard. I think everything else is pretty good. The players and coaches do have good support and areas to work. The program makes a profit and spends the most. Those are good things, positive things. But we are not the elite, number 1 program you think we are. Other programs have better coaches... other programs recruit better... other programs have more success. All of that is indisputable.
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We have a poor location, bad environment, bad recruiting base, poor facilities and yet out baseball coach is suppose to get to Omaha every other year or so?
There you go using the word "bad" just like I knew you would. I'm not having it both ways. I'm saying it's not elite. That doesn't mean I'm saying it's bad. It's not a best or worst scenario and you don't have to make it that way just to win an argument.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
37515 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 4:09 pm to
You are parsing words. The bottom line is you want a baseball coach to win in Omaha on a regular basis even though we have so many disadvantages that a coach can’t undo.

I don’t believe things are such that a top coach can’t still win big. Not Bertman big, but as big as anyone else.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85530 posts
Posted on 6/16/21 at 4:17 pm to
Parsing words? They're YOUR words that you tried to put in MY mouth. And I even posted that you would do it.
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The bottom line is you want a baseball coach to win in Omaha on a regular basis even though we have so many disadvantages that a coach can’t undo.
Yes. I do. Coaches win all the time without having the most advantages or Vandy would win every single year. They recruit well and develop talent without having Vandy's advantages. It's obviously possible. But I'm not asking for a better coach in a vacuum. If we truly want to be the elite program again, that means better facilities, too. It means better recruiting, better development, better evaluations, better prep and in game decisions.
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I don’t believe things are such that a top coach can’t still win big. Not Bertman big, but as big as anyone else.
I agree, too. But we have to look at reality here. Other places have just as much to offer coaches as we do. They spend the money. They have the facilities. They have a coach and assistants with passion who can sell and deliver.

And with all that being said, I truly believe that if you deliver on those things and have the right coach, he can bring LSU to Omaha 7 times a decade and get 3 or 4 wins. I truly think that's doable here. We have the groundwork (money and fan support) thanks to Skip.
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