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re: How true is the "Saban tried to come back in 2006" story?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:39 am to secfan123
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:39 am to secfan123
quote:
I said Spurrier was lucky to get his title in '96. Read my post, then tell me two things.
1)How is having three undeafeated teams in fron of you lose on the last weekend of the year NOT lucky?
2)You said the BCS would have benefited Spurrier. In what years that he was Florida that the BCS didn't exist (1990-1997) would he have made it into a BCS championship game? Remember, you said the BCS would have afforded Spurrier more shots at a title. Please read my post before responding
Ok I will read your postings. I am shocked at your allegations that Spurrier was lucky to be in the NC game, but I will read it.
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:46 am to Sammich
When you are finished reading, please respond with how i am incorrect.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:46 am to Rocket
quote:
He's outposting you and you won't even engage him
I love SECFan's tenacity, he has a WANT to get Sammich to take on the question, but Sammich isn't biting.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:48 am to shel311
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I love SECFan's tenacity, he has a WANT to get Sammich to take on the question, but Sammich isn't biting.
Am I wrong with anything I've posted though? (I don't concede arguments easily- especially when I'm right!)
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:05 am to secfan123
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Am I wrong with anything I've posted though? (I don't concede arguments easily- especially when I'm right!)
No, I'm actually agreeing with you, lol.
Sammich obviously read your posts cause he replied multiple times, but not once did he take on the question.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:11 am to shel311
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Sammich obviously read your posts cause he replied multiple times, but not once did he take on the question.
No, I didn't. I'm flipping between threads now.
Thanks for the Added Pressure BTW..
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:16 am to Sammich
to answer the original question and post
quote:yes, but it was the year after Les one his first championship I believe because I think Saban was still with the Dolphins, but he did try to come back. Thats the reason he took the job at Alabama...he really hates beign at Alabama
How true is the "Saban tried to come back in 2006" story?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 3:23 am to Sammich
quote:
No, I didn't. I'm flipping between threads now.
Sammich, I've summed them up for you. Here, I'll sum up again:
I maintain that Florida was lucky to win their title in 96. You said had the BCS been in place from 1990 onward, it would have helped Spurrier. I said, to the contrary, that Spurrier would have won ZERO titles had the BCS been in place. Here are my arguments.
1990: Finished the regular season with two losses. once beaten Colorado and once beaten once tied Georgia Tech would have played for the BCS championship had there been one. For 2 loss, 13th ranked Florida, it was a moot point as they were serving a bowl ban.
1991: Spurrier finished the regular season with one loss. Undefeated Miami and undefeated Washington would have played for the BCS title.
1992: Finished regular season with 3 losses. Undefeated Alabama and undefeated Miami would have been in the BCS title game (these teams did actually play in the Sugar Bowl).
1993: Finished the regular season with 2 losses (one to national champion FSU) BCS would have been once beaten #1 FSU vs. once beaten #2 Nebraska (these teams did actually play in the Orange Bowl). #3 Notre Dame also only had one loss and had actually beaten FSU.
1994: Florida finished the regular season 10-1-1. The BCS would have featured unbeaten Nebraska vs. unbeaten Penn St.
1995: #2 Florida did play #1 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl (it weren't pretty- Spurrier promptly hires Bob Stoops)
1996: #1 and unbeaten Florida loses in the last weekend to #2 and unbeaten FSU. BCS would have featured #1 undefeated FSU vs. #2 and undefeated Arizona State. (Note, this is the year Spurrier won the national title. To win it, he needed Michigan to upset unbeaten Ohio St. in their rivalry, which they did. He then needed unranked Texas to beat #3 Nebraska in the Big 12 championship game-which they did- and then needed unbeaten #2 Arizona State to lose in the Rose bowl- which they did)
1997: Unbeaten Nebraska would have played unbeaten Micigan. (These two teams split the AP and Coaches poll_)
1998: BCS starts. Tennessee wins the first one against FSU.
Contrary to the BCS helping Spurrier, Spurrier would have only made it to one BCS championship game in the 90's, and that was in 1995, against Nebraska. He did play Nebraska in a bowl game in 1995 and got smoked 62-24. So, the one BCS championship he would have made it to, he would have lost- badly. Like Ohios St. bad. (Actually, I take that back, Spurrier lost by 38 points to Nebraska, while Ohio St. only lost by 27 and 14 points)
Now, please, since you insulted me, tell me where I'm wrong, how Florida was NOT lucky to win the title in 1996, and how the BCS would have helped Spurrier win (or even play for) more titles.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 4:07 am
Posted on 4/16/10 at 4:17 am to secfan123
First this.
This was not an insult to you personally, per se. It's a generalized insult towards Sabanistas. I think you took it a bit too personally. Anyway, I've taken off the sig.
#1. Why/How is it "Lucky" because several undefeated teams lose? This is something I really do not understand. That is why they schedule these games isn't it? This can also be applied to both LSU's 2003 & 2007 seasons, without even looking at any other teams. Some people & the preseason polls think Saban's gonna bring Bama to the promised land this year. (Actually they don't really believe this, but it sells magazines.. reality) I disagree completely. In fact, I'd bet a decent amount of money on it. But anyway, shouldn't LSU play his Bama team first before handing him the Crystal Football for the 2010 season?
#2. I think there was a big misunderstanding here.
You posted this:
& I did say this:
I can see where you think I implied Spurrier would have won additional National Championships if the previous BCS games were played today. This was my mistake for not posting what I meant more clearly. That was not initial intent.
This was more along the lines of what I meant:
Let me see if I can clarify my thinking on this a bit. IF Spurrier had gone to back to Florida instead Of South Carolina, I personally believe ALL of the other SEC Coaches in the Conference would be playing for 2nd place. He'd be back in his natural habitat & have all the recruits he needed to do what he wanted. It is wrong IMO, for people to assume this: "The game has passed him by...he's old"....Turn your back on a Rattlesnake and see if he doesn't bite you..
Spurrier won 6 SEC championships. That is nothing to scoff at. The SEC is the Best Conference in the Nation. If he can win 6 SEC Championships in 13 years..there is no good reason to believe he couldn't do it again.
This was not an insult to you personally, per se. It's a generalized insult towards Sabanistas. I think you took it a bit too personally. Anyway, I've taken off the sig.
quote:
Now I have seen everything...Sabanistas have NO boundaries to their Stupidity. None..
quote:
I said Spurrier was lucky to get his title in '96. Read my post, then tell me two things.
1)How is having three undeafeated teams in fron of you lose on the last weekend of the year NOT lucky?
2)You said the BCS would have benefited Spurrier. In what years that he was Florida that the BCS didn't exist (1990-1997) would he have made it into a BCS championship game? Remember, you said the BCS would have afforded Spurrier more shots at a title.
#1. Why/How is it "Lucky" because several undefeated teams lose? This is something I really do not understand. That is why they schedule these games isn't it? This can also be applied to both LSU's 2003 & 2007 seasons, without even looking at any other teams. Some people & the preseason polls think Saban's gonna bring Bama to the promised land this year. (Actually they don't really believe this, but it sells magazines.. reality) I disagree completely. In fact, I'd bet a decent amount of money on it. But anyway, shouldn't LSU play his Bama team first before handing him the Crystal Football for the 2010 season?
#2. I think there was a big misunderstanding here.
You posted this:
quote:
As good as Spurrier's run in the 90's was, he only managed 1 championship out of it in 13 years (and even the year he won it all, he lost to FSU in the last game of the regular season
& I did say this:
quote:This is 100% Correct. (2nd sentence is correct..)
The BCS is structured differently now. Saban never came close to stopping Spurrier at Florida.
I can see where you think I implied Spurrier would have won additional National Championships if the previous BCS games were played today. This was my mistake for not posting what I meant more clearly. That was not initial intent.
This was more along the lines of what I meant:
quote:
If Spurrier had gone back to Florida..there would be no talk of Saban & his alledged greatness & Meyer may be at Notre Dame.
Let me see if I can clarify my thinking on this a bit. IF Spurrier had gone to back to Florida instead Of South Carolina, I personally believe ALL of the other SEC Coaches in the Conference would be playing for 2nd place. He'd be back in his natural habitat & have all the recruits he needed to do what he wanted. It is wrong IMO, for people to assume this: "The game has passed him by...he's old"....Turn your back on a Rattlesnake and see if he doesn't bite you..
Spurrier won 6 SEC championships. That is nothing to scoff at. The SEC is the Best Conference in the Nation. If he can win 6 SEC Championships in 13 years..there is no good reason to believe he couldn't do it again.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 5:22 am
Posted on 4/16/10 at 5:14 am to LilTune
quote:
but it was the year after Les one his first championship
Posted on 4/16/10 at 7:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
The Goat and
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 8:03 am to Draconian Sanctions
I've never heard this story. I doubt it's true.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 9:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I hear this all the time
I hear all the time that nobody in the LSU athletic department would want Saban back because he was considered........wait, let me think of a somewhat nice term........high maintenance.
I would suspect there are a lot more "Saban tried to leave" stories in his career.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 10:19 am to Lakebound
Of course most of this happened.
Saban hated the Miami job and was exploring options of getting back into college coaching in one of the better programs in the country. Why wouldn't his agent call LSU at that time, along with many others, and ask about possibilities?
I know for myself that it was going on and need to prove it to no one. But if you aren't close enough to anyone that knows, use your head and logic to figure out what Saban was doing when he KNEW he was looking to leave Miami.
Why wouldn't he want to return to THE best program in the nation at that time, with the best fans, and the highest salary and the center of the recruiting world!
Don't be idiots because you don't know, it's going on right now as far as coaches' agents calling college/pro teams testing the waters, even if they are happy where they are....it's straight business and you guys think of it as friendships/loyalty issues, that's where your flaw is.
Saban hated the Miami job and was exploring options of getting back into college coaching in one of the better programs in the country. Why wouldn't his agent call LSU at that time, along with many others, and ask about possibilities?
I know for myself that it was going on and need to prove it to no one. But if you aren't close enough to anyone that knows, use your head and logic to figure out what Saban was doing when he KNEW he was looking to leave Miami.
Why wouldn't he want to return to THE best program in the nation at that time, with the best fans, and the highest salary and the center of the recruiting world!
Don't be idiots because you don't know, it's going on right now as far as coaches' agents calling college/pro teams testing the waters, even if they are happy where they are....it's straight business and you guys think of it as friendships/loyalty issues, that's where your flaw is.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/16/10 at 12:13 pm to the LSUSaint
quote:you mean the program he made into one of the better in the country, right?
Saban hated the Miami job and was exploring options of getting back into college coaching in one of the better programs in the country.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:11 pm to Sammich
quote:
Let me see if I can clarify my thinking on this a bit. IF Spurrier had gone to back to Florida instead Of South Carolina, I personally believe ALL of the other SEC Coaches in the Conference would be playing for 2nd place.
Number 1, you're saying its not lucky to have 2 unranked teams knock off the undefeated teams ahead of you, then having another team ahead of you lose their bowl AND getting a 2nd crack at the team that BEAT you in the regular season? All in the last game of the year and bowl games? If you don't think that's lucky you have lost your mind.
Number 2 Spurrier's best 4 year run ever included 6 losses and 1 national title. Meyer's best 4 year run included 6 losses and 2 national titles. You're saying Saban can whip Meyer, but could not have whipped Spurrier? You've lost your mind.
PS, I love how you compare a coah who takes over a losing program (yea LSU was a losing program in the 90's- 8 losing seasons in 11 years- and compare him to a coach who was well established at his school. VERY fair comparison, by the way. The fact is in the grand scheme of college football, Spurrier has won one national title. That puts him in company like Danny Ford, Lou Holtz, Dan Devine and Johnny Majors. Saban has won 2 national titles, at 2 diffeent schools, putting him with names like Paul Bryant, John Mckay, Woody Hayes, Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden.
quote:
Spurrier won 6 SEC championships. That is nothing to scoff at. The SEC is the Best Conference in the Nation. If he can win 6 SEC Championships in 13 years..there is no good reason to believe he couldn't do it again.
Spurrier played in an SEC that never had more than one other great team in it- Bama 90-94 and Tennessee 95-99. If you look at Spurrier's tenure, you'll find it interesting that Spurrier won all but one of his SEC titles early. In his last 5 years at Florida, he only won ONE. That's not exactly dominant. Nick Saban's won SEC titles at two different schools. Why can't Spurrier? And before you say, 'Its South Carolina' remember the Bear did it at Kentucky.
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:44 pm to TigerBandAlumnus82
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I'll tell yall another not so secret secret. All the money is in place to "Buy Out" whomever needs to be bought out at the end of this season. The money's in the bag. Coaches have been identified and already contacted in case it all goes down..........
First, it would be neat to see this list.
Second, I'm sure this list is constantly updated from year to year no matter what. Now the "already contacted" part is definitely unique.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:57 pm to Ala Tide
the janitor in ceba building said he saw the email and sent out while he was dusting the offices,so it must be true.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:20 pm to Sammich
quote:not many coaches could stop spurrier when he was at florida, & you are comparing saban taken over a losing program, to spurrier's last 2 years at florida, really?
Saban never came close to stopping Spurrier at Florida.
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