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re: How To Successfully Develop QB position
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:42 pm to Hoguester
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:42 pm to Hoguester
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Ole Miss got 20+ people through the transfer portal. Seem to be having success with the strategy.
And many of them will be gone next year, along with several of their key upperclassmen. Then what? Look at their HS recruiting under Kiffin.
Again, the portal is perfect for bolstering some key spots and making the occasional big push for a star who enters, but if you try and build a team off of it, you are taking a huge risk.
This post was edited on 11/23/24 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:44 pm to Madking
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And what year is the right one to do it?
the QB position should be re-evaluated every year. Brian Kelly was too nice last offseason by not bringing in someone to at least compete with Nussmeier. Someone that could have fit the mold of the successful system they had built in house.
Joe Sloan also was retained basically to bring in Underwood. He was under qualified and should have never been hired.
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
Exactly. You don’t pony up insane dollars for the HS potential, you pony up big dollars for the freshman that shows potential at another school.
Why pay NIL for their freshman and sophomore years where they are sitting, learning and hitting the weight room?
I understand it seems like sour grapes because of Underwood, but it honestly is true even with him. It’s a lot of money, a lot of pressure, and a lot of uncertainty.
Why pay NIL for their freshman and sophomore years where they are sitting, learning and hitting the weight room?
I understand it seems like sour grapes because of Underwood, but it honestly is true even with him. It’s a lot of money, a lot of pressure, and a lot of uncertainty.
This post was edited on 11/23/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:48 pm to misey94
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And many of them will be gone next year, along with several of their key upperclassmen. Then what?
Idk, they probably regress and maybe they go 7-5 or something. I can’t imagine LSU doing that.
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:50 pm to S
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Who are we liking elsewhere Les?
I was impressed with the James Madison guy after they boat raced UNC but haven’t followed up.
i havent had a chance to research much yet, but there is obviously a model in place. Highly ranked back ups behind entrenched starter, or starter at a smaller school looking to move up.
like who going to start for UGA next year? they have 3 dudes and only 1 ball
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
? What’s the success rate overall? We have no examples mentioned of the misses. What are the traits of the hits, do you need a multi year guy and so forth. What are the traits of the misses? Do you pass on a HS recruit for one of these guys, for Ex would you trade Underwood for 1 year of Ewers?
This post was edited on 11/23/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/23/24 at 12:54 pm to Eighteen
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I understand it seems like sour grapes because of Underwood
this has been firmly my stance for years now. I don't care about high school QBs at all.
I don't see things purely through the LSU-scope, but for people that do, its happened at LSU firsthand. Transfers coming in and pushing out guys like Brennan, Max Johnson, Finley, Walker Coward. If these kids dont play early, they aren't sticking around. And most of the time its not in the team's best interest for them to play early. You might as well target players that you think can play right away, and play them.
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:00 pm to Madking
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for Ex would you trade Underwood for 1 year of Ewers?
its easy to build hypotheticals to suit your point
who you trade 3 years of underwood for :
2 years of jayden daniels
3 years of dillon gabirel
3 years of jaxson dart
3 years of quin ewers
????
i would
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:02 pm to Lester Earl
I’m not making a point I’m asking for a more precise description of this strategy. It’s an interesting idea but what’s the overall data?
This post was edited on 11/23/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:03 pm to Lester Earl
It's not so much developing a QB as it is picking a guy who is already what you're looking for. There are guys every year that go under the radar in high school, but blow up in college.
It's like top schools using every other school as a farm system.
It's like top schools using every other school as a farm system.
This post was edited on 11/23/24 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:03 pm to Madking
don't you follow college football?
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:04 pm to Lester Earl
Don’t you?
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:06 pm to Madking
yea, Im not the one acting like this is an interesting idea in 2024 though. Where have you been?
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:07 pm to Lester Earl
You brought it up, I’m just asking for the information. The frick is wrong with you?
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:07 pm to Madking
quote:A lot of teams just need a competent, experienced guy they can coach up under a good system with really good talent around them.
If there were any logic to this everyone would do it. Most of those QBs have been where they are now for 2-3 years and developed there. Do people really believe transfer QB = automatic star? I’d love to see the number of transfers who don’t see a snap but nobody’s going to push that narrative.
6 of the top 7 passers in the country are transfers. Eight of the top 10 by passing TDs are transfers. If you're talking QB rating, 7 of the top 10 are transfers.
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:10 pm to Datbayoubengal
Ok, yes that is true so do they need 2 years to develop or can it be 1? I’m asking these questions because if this is a strategy it needs to be defined. I know the LEGO mentality our fans have but that isn’t realistic or sustainable.
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:12 pm to Madking
I mean the whole idea is contingent on picking the right transfer quarterback. It’s shown to be very successful and has shown to not work as well
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:13 pm to LSBoosie
That’s why I was asking but I offended the Rants version of Destiny because he couldn’t answer and didn’t care to discuss it.
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:19 pm to LSBoosie
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mean the whole idea is contingent on picking the right transfer quarterback. It’s shown to be very successful and has shown to not work as well
but I’d argue it’s way more successful than picking the right HS freshman QB
and again, in theory it makes more sense to pay them NIL for their two productive years and not paying top NIL dollars for the learning/strength training years 1&2 and then they might transfer out anyway at any adversary
This post was edited on 11/23/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/23/24 at 1:22 pm to Lester Earl
I don’t think our next good QB is on the roster right now.
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