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re: How tf do you blame this on coaching?

Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:46 am to
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:46 am to
I keep seeing this repeated over and over again

We run a high low system and run it well. Outside of last night, we score points despite our disappointing 3 point shooting this year.

The issue is with careless turnovers. Also, Simmons needs to be on the block when Victor is in foul trouble.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 6:47 am
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17735 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:03 am to
To me, after coming out hot, A&M made some defensive adjustments and we just looked very easy to guard the rest of the game. We did not adjust back.

I thought we played well offensively the first 10 minutes or so, but after that we probably shot 30% the rest of the game if that, with way too many careless turnovers. Just seemed to lack a sense of purpose offensively. I think coaching has at least something to do with that. Sure you can have the players share some of that if you'd like but IMHO can absolved the staff.

And the 3 or 4 easy transition goals they got because we simply did not hustle back.....inexcusable.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:07 am to
Name one play that was drawn up.
Posted by AmOutlawBR
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
1153 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:13 am to
Considering our defense gave up lay up after lay up and our half court offense is the equivalent of what you'd see at any park in the US.....
Posted by AmOutlawBR
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
1153 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:14 am to
And our 6'10" point guard, the best post player on our team, is not going inside the arc unless he is driving to the goal from half court.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17735 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:15 am to
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Is there ever going to be a loss where the coaches are to bkame? Hell, why did we fire TJ or JB, blame the players for not hitting shots


For some no, and I get that. Loyalty for some is important and they will rationalize that loyalty by sticking up for the coach and saying the critics know nothing about basketball and are showing their ignorance.

Of course that goes both ways. The critics don't give much slack and are waiting to pounce, and definitely can be unreasonable at times.

I gotta say though, we did not look like a well-coached team last night. Whether you want to call it CJJ's fault or not I find it hard to entertain a rational argument otherwise. Blame it on Simmons being sick or foul trouble or fatigue whatever, selfish players, whatever....we still looked disorganized and void of a sense of purpose last night.

We've looked better coached at times this year and hopefully will in later games but to me last night....sorry.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19573 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:34 am to
I agree with this. Jones made no adjustments when a&m switched their defense.

I didn't like his substitution patterns either. It was obvious that Victor couldn't guard Davis. Davis single handedly got Victor in foul trouble. The only solution, and I give jones credit for recognizing it, was putting a bigger body like Robinson or Malone on him. But he waited too late and then kept them in too long when Davis subbed out. There was a key sequence at the 11:45 mark of the first half when the ball went down low to Robinson and he tried to do a reverse layup and got blocked by J. Jones. Simmons got the rebound and went up for what looked like an in impeded dunk or layup. Robinson, his own man, backed up into Simmons and caused him to miss the shot short. A&m got the rebound and took off down the court and jones ended up getting a lob from house and getting fouled by Robinson. 5-point swing. If Epps is in the game, he probably makes that layup. Robinson is too slow.

This was going to be a hard game to win. But I didn't expect us to lay an egg like that. It was all about preparation, focus, adjustments and effort. All were lacking for a good bit of this game.
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
6466 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:50 am to
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he big complaint I had about JJ down the stretch was why didn't he pull Quarterman when he was sulking around and yelling at his teammates



he is what happened to what offense we had going on last night. the ball was moving around and we were getting good shots. timmy comes in, makes a couple shots and next thing you know he is bron bron.... hogging the ball, running around like a dumbass and doing his own thing. JJ takes out hornsby and patterson and left that idiot in damn near the entire game. Both of those guys make their first 3s and don't play damn near the rest of the game.... i turned it off b/c JJ refused to put back the starters in the game all at one time and get the game under control.... nope lets let timmy little son of a bitch run rampant on the court acting like a baby.

oh and victor having 3 fouls doesn't help.
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:36 am to
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Our team just went flat when we got to 9 minutes to go in the second half. We were at 52 for God knows how long. Just piss poor shooting in the second


You obviously have not played basketball at even a medium level. Lemme give this a cliffnote try:

Here goes:

No box out, no offensive identity, no help defense, no idea of who needs to be shooting, no off ball screening, no screening for the best shooters, standing around on offense watching Simmons, reaching in constantly, low basketball IQ, no offensive rebounding (other than Victor), turnovers, bad substitutions, defenders not seeing ball at all times, Simmons passing up open 12 footers only to force up a bad shot.....

And that only took me 2 minutes....I could elaborate all day about each one of those topics if you'd like?
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:42 am to
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he is what happened to what offense we had going on last night. the ball was moving around and we were getting good shots. timmy comes in, makes a couple shots and next thing you know he is bron bron.... hogging the ball, running around like a dumbass and doing his own thing. JJ takes out hornsby and patterson and left that idiot in damn near the entire game. Both of those guys make their first 3s and don't play damn near the rest of the game.... i turned it off b/c JJ refused to put back the starters in the game all at one time and get the game under control.... nope lets let timmy little son of a bitch run rampant on the court acting like a baby.

oh and victor having 3 fouls doesn't help.


Bad substitution is only one of the many bad traits of this team. This team is not coached up in practice. It's like they just got off the "and one" bus.
Posted by Summer of George
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
6010 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:45 am to
Hopefully JJ is fired this year.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:22 am to
quote:

no offensive identity,


We run a high-low

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, no help defense


This team, especially Q, help way too much on defense. Which leads to:

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reaching in constantly



quote:

, no offensive rebounding (other than Victor), 


Simmons and even Q are pretty good at this. Certainly an issue with others

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Simmons passing up open 12 footers only to force up a bad shot..... 



Have you seen him shoot?

Simmons attacking the basket is not a bad thing for lsu. He should be trying to attack and taking "bad shot"s. He'll either get to the line or score 65% of the time

quote:

.I could elaborate all day about each one of those topics if you'd like?




Please do. Lots of generic terms
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 9:25 am
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68791 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:32 am to
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Either way victor is the straw that stirs the drink and when he got his fourth 2-3 min into the second half we were done. Our offense and defense goes to shite without him



Victor is the key to the team. He's in and LSU looks pretty good. He's out and JJ can't coach.
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:32 am to
First off can I ask how much basketball experience you have? Second off:

The "high low" is not an offensive identity....it's a very poor way of attacking a zone or man defense. And we do it very ineffectively.

No...we do not see the ball and help on defense....and when we do we rotate very poorly after that.

No....reaching in is not a result of helping out too much....that's ridiculous. Reaching in is a lazy way to play defense resulting from not moving one's feet. And it bails out the offense way to much.

I'll agree simmons is slightly above average attacking the offensive glass.

Yes I've seen Simmons shoot....he's a 75% free throw shooter....I'm sorry but taking a 12 footer is at worst a 50% make/miss shot....which is better than we're shooting from the floor on most nights...defenses are getting smarter and rotating over to take charges on Simmons....there's no place for him to go.

That's 3 minutes of typing....we could do this all day.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 11:34 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85994 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

would like to know how many of u that bitch,moan and complain about the basketball team actually played basketball from the time u was in junior high all the way through high school? Playing a top 10 team on the road in a hostile environment you have games like this especially with a good senior lead team



Yes TAMU is good. But LSU loses to less talented teams at home on the regular. If this was a one off, no one would be bitching, this has been the problem every year under Jones.
Posted by lsub16
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2014
376 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 12:10 pm to
He needs to coach his team on how to actually play defense. Ben Simmons plays 0 defense. But when we do actually get a defensive stop 70% of the time we are giving up an offensive rebound.
Posted by setinways12
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
989 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

This team, especially Q, help way too much on defense


This is almost worthy of a sig quote. It's the equivalent of saying that Barack Obama reaches out to Benjamin Netanyahu too much.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 2:12 pm to
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This is almost worthy of a sig quote. It's the equivalent of saying that Barack Obama reaches out to Benjamin Netanyahu too much.


Glad to see you expanded on it.

Such knowledge. Q gets caught helping way too often and it gets him out of position.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 2:15 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

First off can I ask how much basketball experience you


You seem to want to suck your own dick on your basketball experience, so why don't you share.

And since you want to go down this incredibly logical road (/s), compare it to CJJs when you're done.

quote:

The "high low" is not an offensive identity....it's a very poor way of attacking a zone or man defense. And we do it very ineffectively. 




So it's a way to attack a zone or man defense. Brilliant. TIL that offensive systems, like say the triangle, aren't offensive identities, just a way to attack that thing called defenses.

We're a running team that uses a Hi-Lo in the half court. I would love to hear what you consider to be an "offensive identity"



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No...we do not see the ball and help on defense....and when we do we rotate very poorly after that. 



Our guards help in the post far too often. This makes them run at defenders which leads to use of hands and being out of position. When the ball rotates around, it gets us completely out of position

quote:

No....reaching in is not a result of helping out too much....that's ridiculous. Reaching in is a lazy way to play defense resulting from not moving one's feet. And it bails out the offense way to much. 




Reaching in happens from being out of position. In Qs case, it is usually due to his help defense and watching the ball instead of his man

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I'll agree simmons is slightly above average attacking the offensive glass. 



Slightly above average?

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Yes I've seen Simmons shoot....he's a 75% free throw shooter....I'm sorry but taking a 12 footer is at worst a 50% make/miss shot....


Wow, just wow.

And even if it was 50/50 for him (it isn't), the positive outcome % is a lot higher with him attacking. His midrange game is not good. He's airballing jumpers and has yet to show that ability. Certainly hasn't shown the ability to hit it at a 50% rate at all.

He'll develop it. AD has absolutely mastered the mid range jumper. Yet, when he entered the NBA, despite shooting 75% from the FT line, he couldn't hit a mid range jump shot at all making less than 35%

Lebron James hit about 35% last year from the 5-15 foot range (and yes, ik its the NBA)

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That's 3 minutes of typing....we could do this all day.


Still nothing but generic statements that get repeated by parrots. Show your amazing basketball IQ that you believe you have


This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46259 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 2:19 pm to
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Its the job of lsu fans to freak out and want to fire the coach after every road loss to a top 10 opponent.



I bet you wear Velcro shoes because it was too difficult for you to learn to tie them.
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