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re: How on God's green Earth did LSU have 6 straight losing seasons
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:44 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:44 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:yea but he never won 10 games!!!! lol
Mac did about 12 to 15 times what Arnsparger did, in only 6 times the time.
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:49 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Miles does it all the time and nobody heaps praise on him.
You are the one that used 10 wins as a standard and Miles gets 13 to 14 games, BA had 12 and I'm not arguing BA was a better coach than Miles, just the opposite in fact, but using the "he never won 10 games" when they played fewer is stupid, its even worse when people do it for Mac since a lot of his tenue they only played 10 games.
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If Arnsparger had won either of his last two bowl games, he might be better regarded by those of us who were there
I was there, at both Sugar Bowl losses even and regard him just fine.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:50 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
yea but he never won 10 games!!!! lol
True dat. Arnsparger never had a team like 1962 or 1969. Mac had more top 10 finishes than Arnsparger had seasons. Mac won 3 out of his first 4 Bowl games. But, again, all those who think Arnsparger was better than Mac are free to be so completely, fatally wrong.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:50 pm to LSUfan1950
quote:
Good coach, but could not recruit, this is why Arnsbarger left. He did not have the talent level he had when he took over for Coach Stovall. Coach Stovall recruited some talent.
Until Saban, no one infused LSU with as much NFL talent as Arnsparger. Archer was the worst.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
bowl games are exhibition games, coaches shouldnt be judged poorly for losing them. winning your conference >>> winning a bowl
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:52 pm to LSUfan1950
quote:He left because the Florida job was his dream job. He never intended to stay at LSU for very long.
He left because the Talent level was dropping. He was making more money as the LSU Head Coach. He decline as the UF AD.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You are the one that used 10 wins as a standard and Miles gets 13 to 14 games
Quick - what's 12/14?
85.7%
What's 11/13?
84.6%
What do they both have in common? Both are about 10 points higher than 75%, which is what a 9-3 or 9-2-1 are.
Thank you, please drive thru.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:52 pm to los angeles tiger
Chad Loop and Casey Daigle.
Wait a second, I might take one of those guys now!
Wait a second, I might take one of those guys now!
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:53 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Arnsparger recruited the most talented classes in modern LSU history until the arrival of Saban
that's not true, Jerry Stovall did.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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Arnsparger is approximately equal to Biff Jones. He wasn't here long enough to accomplish anything, and he didn't
winning the SEC for the first time in 18 years isn't accomplishing anything? sorry you have butt hurt because he lost to a much better Nebraska team in the Sugar Bowl, but to say BA didn't accomplish amything is false.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:55 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:
no one infused LSU with as much NFL talent as Arnsparger.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:55 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
bowl games are exhibition games, coaches shouldnt be judged poorly for losing them. winning your conference >>> winning a bowl
I agree that for monetary purposes, a bowl appearance is as important as bowl wins and Arns went to three straight bowls.
EXCEPT - Bowl wins are what the recruits are thinking of and the pollsters for the next pre-season are thinking of. Arnsparger should get credit for winning the SEC. Losing bowl games is a big knock on him, however, and it's valid.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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BA didn't accomplish amything is false.
You're right - he did hire Steve Spurrier as the head football coach at Florida. That's his lasting legacy (and recommending that LSU hire Mike Archer instead of Spurrier, a couple of years prior to that).
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:59 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Quick - what's 12/14?
85.7%
What's 11/13?
84.6%
What do they both have in common? Both are about 10 points higher than 75%, which is what a 9-3 or 9-2-1 are.
Awesome, you can do basic math. If I was arguing that Arsparger was a better coach that Miles, you might have a point, but I'm not, so there is no need to be a condesending douchebag. So just to be clear, Les Miles is a better LSU caoch and accomplished more the Bill Arnsparger.
The 10 win standard is stupid because they played fewer games. Mac went 9-1 one year, that's fewer than 10 wins but a better winning % than 11-2.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:03 pm to Ace Midnight
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and recommending that LSU hire Mike Archer instead of Spurrier, a couple of years prior to that).
taking this urban legend to a new level now. In 1986 Spurrier's only coaching expirence was a couple of years as OC at Duke and in the USFL. Texas, Alabama and USC all had openings that same year and didn't hire him, was that because of Arnsparger too? Or did BA have some better insight than everyone else? Why do you think winning the first SEC title at LSU in 18 years is not an accomplishment?
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:03 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:recruits dont give a rats arse if schools they are looking at win their bowls lol
EXCEPT - Bowl wins are what the recruits are thinking of
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The 10 win standard is stupid because they played fewer games. Mac went 9-1 one year, that's fewer than 10 wins but a better winning % than 11-2.
And I've used the 1969 season as an example of that. However, I'm constantly frustrated with the fact that people don't realize that LSU has played a ton of 12 game seasons. That didn't just start in the 90s. 10/12 is 83 percent. 9/12 is 75 percent. That is the line between a good season and a great season. 10/13 is kind of a limbo season - it's 76% and change, but we've only had one - the last guy.
10-3 is, roughly equivalent (but admittedly a little bit better) than a 9-3.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:05 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
bowl games are exhibition games, coaches shouldnt be judged poorly for losing them.
holy crap, that is fricking stupid. The teams do not treat them as such.
quote:
winning your conference >>> winning a bowl
yeah, but that doesn't meaning winning a big bowl os unimportant.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:07 pm to SanFranTiger
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I can't believe there were no better options than Hallman at the time...
If my memory serves me right, we hired an expensive head hunter firm to find Curley for us.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 1:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
In 3 year Arnsparger recruited the following drafted players:
DAVIS, Wendell
MARTIN, Sam (Sammy)
ANDOLSEK, Eric
HILL, Eric D.
NORWOOD, Ralph E.
JACKSON, Gregory A. (Greg)
MAYES, Michael O. (Mike)
SANCHO, Ron
DAVIDSON, Kenny
HODSON, Tommy
MOSS, Tony
FULLER, Eddie
HALIBURTON, Ronnie
DUNBAR, Karl
JAMES, Clint
WILLIAMS, Harvey
MILLER, Blake
WATKINS, Walker "Slip"
18 in 3 years including 3 #1, 2 #2, 2 #3, and 4 #4.
In 5 years Stovall recruited the following drafted players:
MALANCON, Rydell J.
DANIEL, Eugene Jr.
LANG, Gene E.
DALE, Jeffery D.
SMITH, Lance
HOBLEY, Liffort W.
MARTIN, Eric W.
DUBROC, Gregg M.
JAMES, Garry M.
HILLIARD, Dalton
WICKERSHAM, Jeff
WILSON, Karl
THOMAS, Henry
BROOKS, Michael
CASTON, Toby
BARBAY, Roland A.
JEFFERSON, Norman
GUIDRY, Kevin
MAGEE, Rogie
CARRIER, Chris
KINCHEN, Brian
21 in 5 yrs including no 1st rd, 3 #2, 6 #3 and 1 4th.
Arnsparger recruited more per year and higher profile.
DAVIS, Wendell
MARTIN, Sam (Sammy)
ANDOLSEK, Eric
HILL, Eric D.
NORWOOD, Ralph E.
JACKSON, Gregory A. (Greg)
MAYES, Michael O. (Mike)
SANCHO, Ron
DAVIDSON, Kenny
HODSON, Tommy
MOSS, Tony
FULLER, Eddie
HALIBURTON, Ronnie
DUNBAR, Karl
JAMES, Clint
WILLIAMS, Harvey
MILLER, Blake
WATKINS, Walker "Slip"
18 in 3 years including 3 #1, 2 #2, 2 #3, and 4 #4.
In 5 years Stovall recruited the following drafted players:
MALANCON, Rydell J.
DANIEL, Eugene Jr.
LANG, Gene E.
DALE, Jeffery D.
SMITH, Lance
HOBLEY, Liffort W.
MARTIN, Eric W.
DUBROC, Gregg M.
JAMES, Garry M.
HILLIARD, Dalton
WICKERSHAM, Jeff
WILSON, Karl
THOMAS, Henry
BROOKS, Michael
CASTON, Toby
BARBAY, Roland A.
JEFFERSON, Norman
GUIDRY, Kevin
MAGEE, Rogie
CARRIER, Chris
KINCHEN, Brian
21 in 5 yrs including no 1st rd, 3 #2, 6 #3 and 1 4th.
Arnsparger recruited more per year and higher profile.
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