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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:49 am to tenderfoot tigah
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:49 am to tenderfoot tigah
My issue is that the people we didn’t lose took a huge step back.
In 2017 Charles looked like a LT. this year not so much.
In 2017 Charles looked like a LT. this year not so much.
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:52 am to Lahurricane08
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even if its 2x as good this year it would still be bad for the sec... what's y'alls thoughts?
If it’s two times as good we’ll be lifting the trophy in the dome
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:58 am to Lahurricane08
The interior can improve a lot. More talent, depth, experience and options will be in place.
However, if someone besides Charles or Deculus do not rise up for the Tackles, we will have similar struggles in the passing game, hence offensive struggle.
It's about physics. They DO NOT have the first step quickness/acceleration needed to be a strong performing Tackle of an SEC Championship caliber offense.
I do not have the ability to dunk th basketball anymore. It AINT happening. Out of thousands of attempts in my youth, I did so twice. Decades ago.
They try to make up for it by pressing the timing in their technique, but truth be told, they should he called for early start on almost all plays, and they still get beat badly by the better DE's. Beat badly.
Dare Rosenthal, Cameron Wire or Ray Parker or someone MUCH MORE ATHLETIC MUST BE FOUND FOR LT...
If LT, LG, C, RG and TE are better, THEN one of them can play RT (non Burrow blind side), and the net Improvement can be a LOT
However, unfortunate to say, if Charles and Deculus are the Tackles, we will under perform offensively.
However, if someone besides Charles or Deculus do not rise up for the Tackles, we will have similar struggles in the passing game, hence offensive struggle.
It's about physics. They DO NOT have the first step quickness/acceleration needed to be a strong performing Tackle of an SEC Championship caliber offense.
I do not have the ability to dunk th basketball anymore. It AINT happening. Out of thousands of attempts in my youth, I did so twice. Decades ago.
They try to make up for it by pressing the timing in their technique, but truth be told, they should he called for early start on almost all plays, and they still get beat badly by the better DE's. Beat badly.
Dare Rosenthal, Cameron Wire or Ray Parker or someone MUCH MORE ATHLETIC MUST BE FOUND FOR LT...
If LT, LG, C, RG and TE are better, THEN one of them can play RT (non Burrow blind side), and the net Improvement can be a LOT
However, unfortunate to say, if Charles and Deculus are the Tackles, we will under perform offensively.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:32 am to TigerBert
If we just stay healthy and can be consistent with the configuration, it would be a huge improvement.
If the players improve as well .. a lot can happen.
If the players improve as well .. a lot can happen.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:40 am to bstew3006
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Rosenthal is athletic I'm hoping that he fixes his issues and shows that athleticism.
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he fixes his issues
This is where we disagree, Ben
You lay blame on the players and say they are not talented or for us, who lay blame on the coaching, to name the talented players along the line...which I named them all as talented
Rosenthal was suspended for the bowl game. I'm assuming that he has some issues, possibly grades. I'm hoping he fixes those issues. You do what you want I'm going to continue to look at players and naming who I think can contribute.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:45 am to TigerBert
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However, if someone besides Charles or Deculus do not rise up for the Tackles, we will have similar struggles in the passing game, hence offensive struggle.
I get called a player basher here for much less. I know that it's blown out of proportion to have an excuse but it definitely gets old.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:10 am to Lahurricane08
I am 100% positive our oline will be better as will our def and offense. At the end of next year the numbers will prove it.
Special teams is the only area I can't say for sure will improve.
Special teams is the only area I can't say for sure will improve.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 12:20 pm to Lahurricane08
it cannot be overstated how much experience and continuity matter on the offensive line. we'll have more of both next season
Posted on 1/11/19 at 12:27 pm to Lahurricane08
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even if its 2x as good this year it would still be bad for the sec
If our Oline was 2X as good as it was, we would have lost 1 game (Bama). Otherwise we would have literally steamrolled everyone else on the schedule.
Quit being a fricking drama queen.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:18 pm to yimbeaux
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it cannot be overstated how much experience and continuity matter on the offensive line. we'll have more of both next season
This plus upgrade at tackle. The offense has a chance to be really good.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:09 pm to bencoleman
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Rosenthal is athletic I'm hoping that he fixes his issues and shows that athleticism.
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he fixes his issues
This is where we disagree, Ben
You lay blame on the players and say they are not talented or for us, who lay blame on the coaching, to name the talented players along the line...which I named them all as talented
Rosenthal was suspended for the bowl game. I'm assuming that he has some issues, possibly grades. I'm hoping he fixes those issues. You do what you want I'm going to continue to look at players and naming who I think can contribute
Here is your post to me earlier today. You totally didn't know what you were talking about yet you come back later and talk about my posts making no sense or me twisting things.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:23 pm to BayouCowboy
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Rosenthal should immediately start at one OT spot next season. The fact that he was allowed to RS and develop should make an easier transition.
He hasnt played a down at offensive line and started off on the dline and you think he will be developed enough to start?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:27 pm to saderade
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o play and then there were obviously some injuries on top of that.
This is another thing, injuries will happen, and some guys dont always come back better after an injury, they come back worse.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:42 pm to dgnx6
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He hasnt played a down at offensive line and started off on the dline and you think he will be developed enough to start?
Charles, who was an OG, started in 2017 as a true freshman at OT. Rosenthal has had a full season to develop and practice with the team so I would say he's in a much better position to start as a RS FR. He was also an OT in HS.
FWIW, he was a Bama commit at one time:
Rosenthal decommits from Bama
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A-Day is one of the biggest recruiting weekends of the year for Nick Saban and the Alabama football program but the day started with a decommitment.
According to a report from BamaOnline, 4-star offensive lineman Dare Rosenthal has called off his commitment to the Crimson Tide while on a visit to LSU for the Tigers' spring game. The massive 6-foot-7, 290-pound star is rated as one of the top prospects of the 2018 recruiting class and committed to Alabama nearly a year ago in May of 2015.
Rosenthal told BamaOnline "I'm still considering them as one of my top schools," regarding Alabama
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:45 pm to Lahurricane08
I think they can get drastically better with more time to study film and work on technique and not being so focused on a new offense and terminology.
Not to mention more competition at OT
Not to mention more competition at OT
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:49 pm to BayouCowboy
Not to mention Ferriday used Dare all over the field. He was split out wide where he caught passes. Dropped back into coverage where he intercepted the ball or broke up passes.
He's athletic.
He's athletic.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:50 pm to BayouCowboy
I'm just saying, more than half the responses are talking about more experience, will be better. And others are talking about starting guys with zero experience, will be better.
I think obviously having more talented and more experienced guys are good. Just not sure if these young guys are going to come in and be at the level needed.
I think obviously having more talented and more experienced guys are good. Just not sure if these young guys are going to come in and be at the level needed.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:04 pm to dgnx6
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I think obviously having more talented and more experienced guys are good. Just not sure if these young guys are going to come in and be at the level needed.
I understand. Just consider that Dare was switched to offense in the spring so he's been practicing as an OT since then. He was an OT in HS and much higher rated at OT vs DE, but him wanting to play DE hurt his rating. He's had a full season learning Cregg's blocking scheme and a full year learning the offense. He will be here for all off season conditioning and practice. It's no different than having a soph with an extra year of eligibility.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 4:18 pm to BayouCowboy
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BayouCowboy
What do you know about Wire?
He could be the X factor here. I honestly have heard that he'll make a capable tackle but I don't know anything about him.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 5:00 pm to Lahurricane08
Get one truly solid offensive tackle it goes from good to very good. Find 2 solid tackles it becomes
Elite. We have some stud guards who are playing tackle out of necessity.
Elite. We have some stud guards who are playing tackle out of necessity.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 5:01 pm
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