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Lahurricane08
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How much can the o-line really improve?
Our o-line has been our achilles heel all season long. We are only losing one starter on oline, with the possibility of returning Ingram. Dare Rosenthal is on oline now, and we have some good young players.

How confident is this board in the o-line going into the 2019 season. It would make sense that it should be significantly better, considering we return all but one starters and they have played an entire year together. But do yall think that it will be good enough. I personally dont have that much confidence in it... our oline was atrocious last year, even if its 2x as good this year it would still be bad for the sec... what's y'alls thoughts?


Joe Mantegna
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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even if its 2x as good this year it would still be bad for the sec... what's y'alls thoughts?



Do you really care about others thoughts? Regardless of what they are you're just going to argue and bitch like always.

But yeah, you would be dumb not to expect improvement.


ipodking
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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even if its 2x as good this year it would still be bad for the sec.


Oh for fricks sake stop being a drama queen.


Lahurricane08
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
I'm not argueing or bitching hardly ever. And TBH, I'm not that well educated in line play, or do i follow linemen very much. I mainly focus on skill positions so I would like to know what our younger guys are like, bow big an impact losing Ingram was, is our oline really suffering from talent issues or is it just coaching/continuity, etc etc.


jeffsdad
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
Probably about 20% with improvement on technique, strength, and endurance. Including adding Rosenthal and the freshman, we will be in the top 4 SEC lines.


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Lahurricane08
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
Is it being dramatic, our oline was straight dookey in run AND pass protection.


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FightinTiga
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
My thoughts are LSU needs to expand their search for Olinemen


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geauxtigers33
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
How about the fact that 150 years of college football has proven that an experienced o line is better than an inexperienced o line. Why does that position need to be defended? The people that need to defend their position is the ones that think players returning won’t improve. What makes you think that won’t happen?


Tiger Ugly
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
I will always subscribe to the theory that no position group has more potential to improve with experience than the o-line.


tenderfoot tigah
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
We won the line of scrimmage two years ago vs Alabama. Unfortunately we lost damn near that entire OL.


Joe Mantegna
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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I'm not that well educated


We know
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bluebengal
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
I certainly understand the lack of confidence in our Oline, however take a look at Clemson last year. Same oline as this year and Alabama destroyed them last year in the Sugar Bowl. Experience matters. Let’s hope for the same


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BayouCowboy
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
Two of our biggest weaknesses were lack of athletic OT's and strength of the interior.

Rosenthal should immediately start at one OT spot next season. The fact that he was allowed to RS and develop should make an easier transition. He gives us a more athletic OT vs our current slow footed OTs. If Kardell comes in and takes his conditioning seriously he should be able to win one of the OG spots and he is a bull. Hines was looking good before getting injured down the stretch so if Kardell isn't ready I'm confident he gives us a better option vs Brumfield last season.

The other wild card is Cameron Wire who was a RS as well. IDK how close he is to being ready to take an OT spot. I'd be a little concerned with 2 first time starters at both OT spots but if he's better I'd get him starting snaps early and try to get him settled in.


Lahurricane08
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
Are you my friend?


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bencoleman
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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The other wild card is Cameron Wire who was a RS as well. IDK how close he is to being ready to take an OT spot. I'd be a little concerned with 2 first time starters at both OT spots but if he's better I'd get him starting snaps early and try to get him settled in



Rosenthal definitely adds some athleticism to the tackle position. I'm not sure about Wire but we've heard nothing but good things about him. I'm going to look into him some more today. Charles actually shows promise so another year to get better may be what he needs. I don't know about Deculus he will have to show a lot of improvement. I can't imagine that he's a viable choice at tackle moving forward. Maybe guard could be an option or improve enough to be serviceable.

One guard in particular did pretty good. I want to say it was Lewis. I would imagine that he's got his spot locked up. I believe that Cush will take a giant leap forward.

All in all and trying my best not to look through purple and gold glasses, I think the offensive line should be night and day compared to this past season. I'm going to go ahead and bookmark this post so I can eat crow if I have to.


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memphis tiger
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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How about the fact that 150 years of college football has proven that an experienced o line is better than an inexperienced o line


True, experience helps. But I still think there is a coaching problem on offense and while talent and experience may help, it isn't enough to completely overcome it.
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saderade
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
People forget the line this year should have included Clapp, Weathersby, and Ingram. You had to start guys that weren’t quite ready to play and then there were obviously some injuries on top of that.


BayouCowboy
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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True, experience helps. But I still think there is a coaching problem on offense and while talent and experience may help, it isn't enough to completely overcome it.

I've got to admit that I was happy with the hire of Sullivan due to his technical expertise and Cregg had a very good track record as well. Neither has met my expectations. Whether it's a personnel issue or their ability to coach effectively, IDK. We'll find out this season with Cregg. Sullivan's gone so it's on Joseph and/or who ever else is hired. I've seen it mentioned a few times Sullivan didn't like playing the younger guys and it's obvious when he gets on the field that Chase needs to play.


bencoleman
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
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I've seen it mentioned a few times Sullivan didn't like playing the younger guys and it's obvious when he gets on the field that Chase needs to play



Steve said there were communication issues and issues with not being able to audible because certain players didn't know what to do. If I had to guess it would be the younger guys that were having problems so on an offense full of problems they probably took the path of least resistance and went with the older guys. As the younger guys picked it up they probably saw the field more. Which is why we started to see them on the field more or it could be that Sullivan just didn't want to play the younger guys. Also a willingness to block could have played a role in not being in the rotation more. I'm just glad moving forward to see that talent on the field.


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OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
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re: How much can the o-line really improve?
We need OT's. Either Deculus's and Charles's footwork improves in the off season, or Rosenthal/Wire step up and take over.

If neither happens, we lack again on the OL as a whole. Can't have 5 OG's out there against the teams we play. The SEC contains most of the best pass rushers in the country.


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