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Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:04 am to Shane4689
What I don’t get is how many refuse to acknowledge Wade’s part in this? The must believe him crowd Ignores his own words in statement believing I guess that the statement was coerced. Some even see this situation as a rallying cry to resist against anyone criticizing Wade’s actions even liking him as coach. I dislike Alleva, but I don’t want him replaced as part of internal fighting with a weaker internal candidate that allows compliance to be picked apart by Wade & O.
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I completely understand that without my denying or explaining the media reports accusing me of wrongdoing LSU was left with no choice but to suspend me until I was willing and able to meet with them. Any other course of action would have put the program and the University at risk
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:37 am to dallastigers
quote:Wade is reinstated. Why?
What I don’t get is how many refuse to acknowledge Wade’s part in this?
That is the issue. The "part" you are questioning was insignificant enough to allow both Smart and Wade to be reinstated.
Yes, WW made some unfortunate statements ... assuming one trusts accuracy of the out-of-context transcripted fragments of supposed wiretaps, and the quality of Thamel's checkered reporting.
LSU also had the opportunity to immediately clear up questions in that regard. But FKingAlleva pissed that opportunity away.
Wade was put in an unnecessary and completely untenable position by a couple of incompetent administrators with a long history of similar stupidity.
"Wade's part in this" in no small measure was agreeing to be hired by them.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:38 am to More beer please
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:50 am to SUB
quote:Indeed.
By your logic, the Duke Lacrosse team was guilty and Joe's actions there were on-point. One player was suspended because the police released an email that put him in a bad light, but refused to release further emails that made it reasonable to assume he was joking.
Also, by your logic, Les Miles accepted a coaching job at Michigan in 2006 because Kirk Herbstreit had "sources" that confirmed it.
The only commonality that LesterEarl and "Logic" share is the "L". He's had his arse handed to him six-ways to Sunday on this issue. At this point, it's like he suffers from some sort of TigerRant Lesch-Nyhan syndrome, self-mutilation..
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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The "part" you are questioning was insignificant enough to allow both Smart and Wade to be reinstated
The recordings are not insignificant, but The part that I was mainly talking about talking about here was suspension hence using Wade’s quote:
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I completely understand that without my denying or explaining the media reports accusing me of wrongdoing LSU was left with no choice but to suspend me until I was willing and able to meet with them. Any other course of action would have put the program and the University at risk
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LSU also had the opportunity to immediately clear up questions in that regard. But FKingAlleva pissed that opportunity away. Wade was put in an unnecessary and completely untenable position by a couple of incompetent administrators with a long history of similar stupidity. "Wade's part in this" in no small measure was agreeing to be hired by them.
LSU had opportunity to clear up questions, but You ignore Wade’s own statement if you just blame LSU. Who else could quickly clear up the recorded conversation and go on record on what it really was about and that the other recordings will not have any sign of rules being broke. I would assume at this point with nothing to contradict him it’s all on Wade’s answers to them, and Wade seems to understand that LSU was at risk and justified in suspending him until he was ready to talk.
You double down by taking it further by saying one of his big parts in this was agreeing to be hired by Alleva & FKing. So do you believe that Wade is that weak?
I like Wade more than Alleva and would like to get rid of Alleva (as well as O & the Binder), but that doesn’t mean I have to ignore Wade’s part in all of this and show faux outrage in support of Wade. He is a big boy getting paid a lot to be here. I think he can take a little criticism of his actions not sure why some fans can’t.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:41 pm to dallastigers
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dallastigers
Do you really believe LSU admin had no say in what went into Wade's statement as LSU's basketball coach?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:45 pm to SUB
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Do you really believe LSU admin had no say in what went into Wade's statement as LSU's basketball coach?
Exactly. Wade had 9 million reasons to make that concession.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:49 pm to Shane4689
I agree with you that this is all on WW! Those other fans are same DAs that will be calling for WW's firing when he loses a game. Be a man and call it like it is - this is all WW's fault and no one else's!
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:56 pm to SUB
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Do you really believe LSU admin had no say in what went into Wade's statement as LSU's basketball coach?
I am sure they had some involvement and/or coordination like most statements like this released close together, but do you really think Wade and his new attorney had no say in it and that they didn’t have final approval in its wording?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 1:59 pm to dallastigers
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do you really think Wade and his new attorney had no say in it and that they didn’t have final approval in its wording?
I can’t answer for him, but IMHO, that statement was Wade and his council deciding to be the adults in the room.
It seems pretty obvious when you compare it to Alleva’s petulant, passive aggressive statement.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:02 pm to dallastigers
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He is a big boy getting paid a lot to be here. I think he can take a little criticism of his actions not sure why some fans can’t.
Pretty sure most are on board with show the proof of cheating, if he did. Boot him. Our Admin just took an unnecessary route in this.
LSU Admin is full of adults making big time money. They can take criticism.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:08 pm to DontCare
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The NCAA were already here investigating that nothing issue of a player’s parent getting a job at OLOL.
Happened under Allevas watch.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:11 pm to Shane4689
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How is this the fault of Alleva?
Wade was being investigated by the FBI.
Wade decided not to meet with LSU.
Alleva did the right thing in suspending the coach who is under FBI investigation before the sport's biggest tournament as a precaution. Any school would have done the same.
What did Alleva do to:
Cuase Wade to be investigated?
Cause Wade not to meet with LSU?
Side note, I do think Alleva should be fired for other things and sports.
It certainly's the fault of Earring for tanking the initially planned Wade/Alleva/King meeting for a later meeting including both the BOS and the NCAA. IK the BOS has the right to do this and Wade is contractually required to cooperate but this shift created a catch-22 for Wade and converted the meeting into an interrogation thereby discouraging him from agreeing to the revised meeting and exacerbating the situation. Is what it is.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:16 pm to Philippines4LSU
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I can’t answer for him, but IMHO, that statement was Wade and his council deciding to be the adults in the room.
Your right. I think him taking ownership of suspension was a good move. It’s just that many on this board don’t seem to believe his statement is true or actually his.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:20 pm to dallastigers
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, but do you really think Wade and his new attorney had no say in it and that they didn’t have final approval in its wording?
I wasn't implying that Wade had no say in the statement. Was just addressing your comment about "using his own words." My point is that a public statement like that is hardly "his own words." I'm sure he had a say in it, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the administration made sure that certain things were included in the statement. I don't think Wade has final say in putting out written statements as LSU's coach.
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Exactly. Wade had 9 million reasons to make that concession.
Making that concession required meeting with LSU admin and NCAA and his lawyer advised him not to. That's a pretty big reason.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:26 pm to dallastigers
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Your right. I think him taking ownership of suspension was a good move.
It's the only move he had at this point to keep his job. I can agree with you there. Whether or not he was swallowing his pride so he could get his job back or he truly felt that way, we don't know.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:35 pm to SUB
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Your right. I think him taking ownership of suspension was a good move.
It's the only move he had at this point to keep his job. I can agree with you there. Whether or not he was swallowing his pride so he could get his job back or he truly felt that way, we don't know.
First of all, the quoted portion of his response is definitely not what I said, nor what I implied.
Think of it like this, the meeting supposedly lasted 5 hours. The way I envision it (and I may be totally off-base here), dealing with Alleva and King is kind of like debating with Lester Earl (no offense Lester). You know he’s going to get the last word in, so just let him have it so you can get on with your life.
That’s how I view Wade’s statement justifying LSU’s actions regarding the suspension anyway.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:38 pm to dgnx6
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LSU Admin is full of adults making big time money. They can take criticism.
Your right, and they do take a lot. More on this board than a few higher paid coaches can get before negatiger label starts to be used towards anyone not 100% positive about these particular coaches. I never liked the hiring of Alleva. This has never been about choosing one side over the other. Last thing Wade needs is a increased sense of arrogance that he is above the rules due to his popularity with fans. I think his statement showed some maturity and that he owned suspension. I hope he was being honest. For now we should take him at his word until proven otherwise.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 2:49 pm to Shane4689
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