re: How good would JJ and JL be if Jimbo was still here?

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Exactly. Booty had one good season--he was a 25-year-old JR. Davey wasn't good until the end of his 4th year and during his 5th year. Mauck was a 24-year-old JR when we won the title, Flynn was a 5th-year-SR, and the only year that the majority of LSU fans didn't hate Jamarcus's guts, he was in his 4th year as well. Jimbo has no track-record of churning out 19/20 year old 2nd year All Americans.


I always defended Jimbo on here as being better than most gave him credit for, but most of these tards forget that he was absolutely loathed during his time here. The tards though Les made a terrible decision retaining him and couldn't wait to run his arse out of town. Now he's the greatest QB developer since Bill Walsh. People are so fricking stupid.

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So true,just check the archives! This time last yr,they thoughtJJ was 2nd best QB in SEC behind TT and didn't need much more coaching.

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Agreed.

But he was a very good QB coach. Too may people try to combine Jimbo's coordinating skills and QB development when they are separate things. Jimbo was a 50x better QB coach than Crowton, although I'm not sure thats a compliment considering Crowton is the worst QB coach I've ever seen.

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How many QB coaches have you seen? Do you attend many practices? Are you a coach or former QB with multiple QB coaches?

i didnt hate Jimbo, 2006 just left a bad taste in my mouth

what happened to e.j. manuel?

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So it was Jimbo's fault at AUBURN?????? THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not. Many believe miles was holding jimbo back. however, it became miles was holding crowton back. now it's miles letting crowton call the plays which crowton sucks.

At f.s.u. the word was bobby was holding jimbo back.

Before miles it was saban holding jimbo back.

i really can't keep up on who called what play in which game. Usually, if it was a good play, jimbo called it. Thus, 2006 Auburn was on miles. miles called the runs and wouldn't let jimbo call the pass. In 2007, crowton called the good ones and miles the bad ones. Now its crowton calls all of them which are bad.

this year, i believe it will turn into a good play, bill g called it. bad play, crowton called it.

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Yes, what exactly is your point?

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It wasn't all on the refs!!!!!

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It is manifested in a different manner though, in that he is afraid to pull the trigger. JJ had open receivers many times last season downfield and wouldn't pull the trigger.

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I understand what you're talking about but I disagree on what's causing it. I don't think it's a fear to throw into traffic, because he would throw balls into coverage time to time last year. I think it's more of a timing issue in the pocket. JJ is quick to scramble or throw the ball away. I think this leads to missing a lot of open receivers because he won't give himself time to work through the progressions.

This is a correctable issue and is also a product of inadequate line play and very poor play calling.

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From my perspective, Jimbo did more with the QB's than Crowton has at LSU.

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You and everyone else with a hint of football knowledge.

I really don’t know what to tell some of yal. Like someone said, LSU fans have such short, selective memories it’s ridiculous. Look up these names in the LSU record books: Russell, Flynn, Mauck, and Davey. Come back to me and see where they rank in the all-time LSU record books for QB play. They’re pretty much at the top of every desirable category imaginable and all QBs Jimbo developed. He’s also turned a scrub at FSU into probably the best QB in the ACC.

Some people are pointing to Jimbo’s playcalling or talking about the Auburn game, etc. I don’t know why some of yal can’t distinguish between playcalling and QB development. I would never have called Jimbo an elite playcaller, but to denigrate his ability to develop QBs is just ridiculous.

Like the article someone posted, Crowton’s offenses always struggle after the first years. I have said on this board many times that it’s because he is unable to develop the QB position. No offense can thrive without adequate QB play and the past couple years should be example enough. When Crowton has a well-tutored QB (see Flynn’s record-setting year) he can script plays with the best of them. When he doesn’t (see last year) he begins to simplify the offense in an attempt to hide the QB deficiencies. This only results in a predictable offense that hinders said QB’s ability to progress.

Now that is my reasoning for why Crowton struggles after the first couple years at a school. For those of you who disagree and feel that he is an adequate QB coach I would like to know why he struggles. Does he just forget how to coach an offense and then magically remembers how to call plays at the new school (I have actually heard of such a potion)? Is it that the new schools’ have no tape on him (this problem would be easily corrected if only teams taped their games)? Is it that the players begin to get less familiar with the offense and its checks (I guess this makes sense, wait no I can’t even make an argument for this)?

Also, to compare EJ Manuel’s start against Florida when he wasn’t even supposed to play last year because they had the best QB in the ACC to anything Jefferson did last year with an entire season of experience and entire offseason of tutelage as “the man” is just absurd.

I anxiously await any responses.