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re: How fast was Billy Cannon?

Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by the LSUSaint
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:50 pm to
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For example, LF ran a 10.68 and was considered a modern day freak.....


Because of his height, weight, and speed
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:51 pm to
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Because of his height, weight, and speed


Billy cannon ran a 9.6 in this picture in 1957 (eqiv to a 10.54)

He is 6'1", likely around 220 lbs or so wouldnt you say?






When LF ran his 10.68 in the year 2013, he was 6'0" around 220 lbs........



This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 12:55 pm
Posted by GRIZZ
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:11 pm to
According to the formula I posted previously (with link), a 9.6 equates to a 10.74. It should be noted though that running on cinder vs mondo track also makes a difference.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:16 pm to
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According to th formula I posted previously (with link), a 9.6 equates to a 10.74.


I was also wrong though

Billy ran a 9.4 in that photo


His 9.6 was at Istrouma
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:17 pm to
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According to th formula I posted previously (with link),
Does your formula take into account the track material? I dont beleive it did. That should be in there, and should lower Cannons time.....

Most formulas say 0.25 seconds per 100 meters for Cinder tracks to all-weather tracks. Mondo tracks are even greater

So cannons 9.4 converted time in your formula goes from 10.54 to 10.29
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Islandcat
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:23 pm to
regardless, do you think a 10.74 in the 100m is fast or no? I have seen all the conversions on this thread range from 10.28 to 10.74. If you are running in that range in high school, you are REAL fast bottom line.
Posted by GRIZZ
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:41 pm to
Looks like I was editing my comment just as you were posting the same thing.
Posted by the LSUSaint
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 3:40 pm to
Not sure of your point. I've never said LF was faster. BC was fast, LF wa s as well....neither had elite speed. But their speed is elite to guys that big at that age. 40 speed matters in football more than 100 speed.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:32 pm to
A friend's dad was talking to Paul Dietzel in New Orleans before the 2003 National Championship game, and he asked about the differences in talent between now and the '58 team.

Dietzel's response was that he didn't think anyone else from the '58 would play for the 2003 team, but that Cannon would be a starter.
Posted by LSU2THEMAX
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 4:54 pm to
I remember his numbers. He ran a 9.3 sec 100 yd dash as an LSU track performer. At the time, he set the SEC record in the 100 yd dash. I don't know how long he held the record. He may still hold it for that matter, since they run the 100 m now.

I am not sure, but I'm pretty sure he also threw the shot put and possibly the javelin. Of course he ran the 220 yd dash and was on the 440 yd relay team.

He was also the punter on the football team and ran several fake punts for long touchdowns.

Alvin Roy was his trainer during HS and college and once said that if Billy Cannon would train for weightlifting he was capable of winning the gold medal in the Olympics.

If there was ever a "freak" athlete, Billy Cannon was king of freaks.

I played football at Istrouma HS when Cannon was there. He was two years ahead of me. I was in the student section in Tiger Stadium when Cannon had the 89 yd touchdown against Ole Miss on Halloween night.

He was absolutely amazing!!!

Posted by Hangit
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 5:37 pm to
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He ran a 9.3 sec 100 yd dash as an LSU track performer.


No baw. He didn't. The world record at the time of the 1960 Olympics was 9.3. I believe it was held by a German. The US representative at the Olympics tied a 9.3 one time. He was a kid from Duke and he ran 9.4 in the Olympics. Billy hit 9.4 a few times, when hand timed, but was mainly a 9.5 kid.

I am unsure, but I think the 1960 Olympic event was in meters but the times I gave you was for yards.

Posted by GRIZZ
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 7:43 pm to
Stating facts will get you downvoted here baw. Duck!
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:01 pm to
He set the state record by throwing the shot-put like a baseball.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Jmwtigre
Tyler, TX
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:06 pm to

The guy from Duke was Dave Sime; I believe he, Ira Muchinson and Bill Woodhouse all ran 9.3 in 100 yr dash.

Sime won Silver Metal in 1960 Olympics in the 100m dash.
Posted by billf7095
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:07 pm to
He wasn’t fast, he was sudden.

He could turn out the lights and be in bed before it was dark.
Posted by Jmwtigre
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:14 pm to

Noooo! But he did throw the shot in his warm ups with out the usual "shot put wind-up." He did this on his way to anchor the 440 yr relay.

He also ran anchor in 880 relay and 100 and 220 - usually won at all.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:23 pm to
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1. Convert the time into seconds (if appropriate). 2. Divide the time by a yard conversion factor (see table below). 3. Multiply the result from 2 (above) by the race distance, in meters. 4. Convert the time into minutes and seconds (if appropriate). Example Suppose a person runs the 100 yard dash in 12.1 seconds. Since the time is only in seconds, we can skip step one above. The yard conversion factor from the table below is 91.44. Dividing 12.1 by 91.44, we obtain an answer of 0.1323272. Multiplying this answer by the race distance of 100 meters, and then rounding to the nearest tenth of a second, the final time becomes 13.2. Running a 100 yard dash in 12.1 is equivalent to running a 100 meter dash in 13.2.

you can't just convert it like that. The start is the slowest part of the race and your formula treats the start as part of the conversion. The first 40 yard are accelerating and are a larger percentage of the race for 100 yards vs 100 meters so some adjustment has to be made for that.

4.3 40 yard cant be used to accurately measure a runners 100 yard time other than to say it will be fast.

4.3/40 x 100 =10.75 100 yards = x 1.0936= 11.75 for 100 meters or 109.36 yards

someone who runs a 4.3 40 runs much faster than a 11.75 100m

you can't just simply add 9.36 yards onto the race and proportion the time out to get an accurrate time. Maybe take that time and subtract out another .2 out to account for the larger portion of the 110 yard race that you are running at top speed versus the 100 yard race. instead Of 6/10th of the race at top speed in the 100 you are running 7/10th of the race at top speed in the 109.36 yard race.
Posted by Jmwtigre
Tyler, TX
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:44 pm to
When I read your post really got my attention. I graduated from Istrouma in '58 also! Must how you. Would like to chat with you but don't know how on this board. Any idea?

Cannon did not throw javelin, did punt, kick extra points and started a gaurd on basketball team.

Unquestionably the best athlete and competitor I have seen; and I have been watching LSU since 1951 LSU vs Rice.
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 8:51 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:50 pm to
really to convert to 100 m time you would have to look at cannons splits and take his last 10 yard split (90-100 yard split) and multiply it by 1.09 then add that on.

then account for hand timed vs radar timed and also better running shoes and faster tracks.


Pr0bably 9.4 plus .9 or some where in there taking everything into account. So his 9.4 probably equals about 10.3 100 m these days or 10.5 if he ran a 9.6


Posted by Jmwtigre
Tyler, TX
Member since Oct 2015
1232 posts
Posted on 5/23/18 at 8:53 pm to

I understand but way over my head!
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