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How different would LSU and the SEC be if Tulane stayed in the SEC?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:18 am
I've always wondered about that.
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 11:19 am
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Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:21 am to Damariun
See: Vandy
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:24 am to Damariun
Tulane would probably be another Vanderbilt but pop up with a few good years every now and then similar to Stanford
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:26 am to Damariun
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How different would LSU and the SEC be if Tulane stayed in the SEC?I've always wondered about that.
Ask again in the doldrums of the offseason
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:26 am to Damariun
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How different would LSU and the SEC be if Tulane stayed in the SEC?
In theory, Tulane wouldn't have to be in the SEC to impact LSU. There are plenty of multi-conference states where the SEC/ACC, SEC/Big-12 do battle in recruiting and athletics. That being said, when Tulane deemphasized athletics, they became irrelevant in sports. While Vandy isn't great at football, at least they sometimes field competitive basketball teams and are currently a baseball powerhouse. I know they're trying to be good at baseball, but imagine if Tulane was a Duke-esque basketball program or on the level of Vandy in baseball. Would be intriguing.
The main takeaway: LSU benefits greatly from having no other Power 5 schools in the state of Louisiana.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:48 am to MardiGrasMambo
Back in the 90’s, Tulane had some great football teams as a mid major. In the 2000’s, they rivaled LSU for state dominance on the diamond. Tulane’s administration post-Katrina basically changed the mission of the University, and success has waned since.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:55 am to Damariun
Would be like Clemson. Everyone stay healthy all year
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:59 am to kingbob
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Back in the 90’s, Tulane had some great football teams as a mid major.
They had one
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Tulane’s administration post-Katrina basically changed the mission of the University, and success has waned since.
That's definitely not what happened with football. They've thrown more resources at it.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:06 pm to Damariun
At the time, Tulane truly thought that by leaving the SEC they would become what Notre Dame was and be an independent school free to schedule nationally. Seriously, Tulane was trying to duplicate what Notre Dame was doing. They wanted to be the Notre Dame of the south and it backfired. That is why they left the SEC. Granted, I’m sure that had they had a crystal ball they would not have left; nor would Georgia Tech.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:08 pm to Damariun
Tulane is clueless on how to run an athletic program. So no difference.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:12 pm to Damariun
Only difference is that Tulane fans would finally have good teams come to their crappy stadium
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:15 pm to Damariun
The cheerleaders would be uglier
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:20 pm to BattinRouge11
If Tulane had remained in the SEC, then Missouri would not have joined IMO.
Since Tulane would be a charter member, they would have stayed in the West Division. This means Aggie would have been placed in the East during expansion or Arky have been moved to the east.
Since Tulane would be a charter member, they would have stayed in the West Division. This means Aggie would have been placed in the East during expansion or Arky have been moved to the east.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:23 pm to Damariun
We would have one less expansion team
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:23 pm to HuckFinn
"Tulane was trying to duplicate what Notre Dame was doing."
This is so far from the truth it's pathetic. Tulane was in no way competitive enough football-wise during this time frame to even consider being able to accomplish this. In the five years before leaving the SEC their record was 8-41-1. They realized that they were not in a position to compete with the other schools of the SEC and simply left the conference in an attempt to lower their football program a notch or two in order to be competitive at their new level.
This is so far from the truth it's pathetic. Tulane was in no way competitive enough football-wise during this time frame to even consider being able to accomplish this. In the five years before leaving the SEC their record was 8-41-1. They realized that they were not in a position to compete with the other schools of the SEC and simply left the conference in an attempt to lower their football program a notch or two in order to be competitive at their new level.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:24 pm to BigLSUNut
quote:it would have to be Arkansas or South Carolina who didn’t get in, at least in 92
If Tulane had remained in the SEC, then Missouri would not have joined IMO.
Since Tulane would be a charter member, they would have stayed in the West Division. This means Aggie would have been placed in the East during expansion or Arky have been moved to the east.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 12:36 pm to saintsfan22
The academic mission changed as well. Tulane went from a heavy focus on engineering and chemistry to only focusing on liberal arts and medicine. Considering that baseball is based on partial scholarships, this deviation from what had been a core source of alumni dollars and ties to industry for graduates was a disaster, especially for baseball recruiting. On the flip side, Tulane was able to rebrand as a party/safety school for New Englanders who couldn’t get into the ivy league. Those graduates pay sticker and leave after graduation, and don’t really care about athletics at all. While Tulane always had some of these types going there, they’re now the majority. Very few New Orleans locals are still sending their kids to Tulane, so it just isn’t relevant any more.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:38 pm to Paul Maul number 37
I apologize for the confusion. I did make it sound like they were trying to be Notre Dame in football. I didn't mean to suggest that they truly thought that by believing the SEC they would become like Notre Dame in football. I'm sure they hoped for that. However, the success of other private schools like Notre Dame and Ga. Tech, among others, were definitely an influence. At the time Ga. Tech and Atlanta were a large influence on the SEC as Atlanta was the largest city in the SEC. Ga. Tech thought they were all high and mighty and had left the SEC just 2 years earlier; because of the SEC's lack of scholarship limits. Ga. Tech had also led the SEC in attendance in football. They thought they didn't need the SEC. Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant didn't like each other.
Tulane left the SEC because of money; largely because of the lack of scholarship limits in the SEC and they wanted an increased emphasis on academics. They mistakenly had visions of trying to duplicate the successes Notre Dame was having as an Independent; meaning a private school with an emphasis on academics that also had freedom in athletics. In their mind Notre Dame was an example of what could be; as was Georgia Tech.
I wouldn't know anything about Tulane if not for my late uncle who played DB and FB at Tulane in 48', 49' 50 and 51. He used to give the entire family shite about LSU every year. So, as a kid in the 80's we used to hear about Tulane a lot. If you remember, Tulane beat LSU a few times in the 80's. He made sure everybody in the family knew Tulane beat LSU. If not for him I would have never taken the time to look at why they ever left the SEC. Georgia Tech was also occasionally referred to as the Notre Dame of the south.
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Tulane left the SEC because of money; largely because of the lack of scholarship limits in the SEC and they wanted an increased emphasis on academics. They mistakenly had visions of trying to duplicate the successes Notre Dame was having as an Independent; meaning a private school with an emphasis on academics that also had freedom in athletics. In their mind Notre Dame was an example of what could be; as was Georgia Tech.
I wouldn't know anything about Tulane if not for my late uncle who played DB and FB at Tulane in 48', 49' 50 and 51. He used to give the entire family shite about LSU every year. So, as a kid in the 80's we used to hear about Tulane a lot. If you remember, Tulane beat LSU a few times in the 80's. He made sure everybody in the family knew Tulane beat LSU. If not for him I would have never taken the time to look at why they ever left the SEC. Georgia Tech was also occasionally referred to as the Notre Dame of the south.
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:24 am to HuckFinn
Who wastes time thinking about tulane? Good Lord !
Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:57 am to Damariun
Not much different.
Tulane would be the Vandy of the SEC West.
Tulane would be the Vandy of the SEC West.
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