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re: How close did Arnsparger have us to a NC??
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Did you get a chance to watch that team, or are you looking at history books? Just asking- 82 was a lot like an NFL team, in that those losses were inexplicable quirks (yes, I realize there were 2 in one season, but still...). That team could have beaten any opponent they faced. Remember we didn't have half the Hilliard-James gang against Nebraska, and we still had Nebraska in a dogfight.
82 lost to 2 losing teams, MSU and Tulane and tied a 6-5-1 UT.
As much as I loved the 87 team, they wouldn't have hung with the big boys in college like that. Notre Dame, Miami, Nebraska, Oklahoma would have embarrassed us. The SEC then was top-15 good, not contender-good in the later 80s
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:07 pm to Scoob
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Remember we didn't have half the Hilliard-James gang against Nebraska, and we still had Nebraska in a dogfight.
I don't recall if James played vs Neb. in the Orange Bowl but Dalton did - recall him making a great one-handed catch on a pass.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 11:39 pm to AlwysATgr
They both played. Hilliard played with the flu. Had he been healthy that night, we would have won it.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:02 am to LC412000
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Miami of Ohio loss possibly cost us our best chance at a NC since 1959
Yeah but it wasn't just that. We lost to Ole Miss, too. Penn State and Miami were both undefeated going into the defacto NC game.
But the 86 team was a good team. Just not good enough.
Final thought: Arnsparger never won his bowl games.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:11 am to DandyD
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He was the most intense coach like Sabin.
Intense is a nice way of putting it. I heard from a reliable source that he was huge a-hole. So much so that some of the support staff refused to put up with anymore during one of the Sugar Bowls and quit. They ended up coming back after some damage control.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:13 am to TxTiger82
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But the 86 team was a good team. Just not good enough.
The '86 team won LSU's first SEC championship in 16 years.
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Final thought: Arnsparger never won his bowl games.
Gerry DiNardo never lost his Bowl games.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:21 am to Hitchcock
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Gerry DiNardo never lost his Bowl games.
And now he makes Italian food.
Would have been nice to go to a bowls in his two final seasons.
BTW, Arkansas wasn't SEC West champs 1999 like you posted in that other thread. You need help with your habits of posting misinformation.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:48 am to Rocket
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And now he makes Italian food.
Italians can't coach? John Calapari & Rick Pitino can't coach? Your post smells of racism.
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Would have been nice to go to a bowls in his two final seasons.
Lot's of things in the past would have been nice.
Not losing to UAB would have been nice, if not expected.
quote:Of course they didn't. They brought in a 9-2 Nationally ranked team & were slaughtered by LSU.
BTW, Arkansas wasn't SEC West champs 1999 like you posted in that other thread. You need help with your habits of posting misinformation.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 2:19 am to Rocket
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'm saying his employment was terminated at LSU and Indiana and now he owns an Italian restaurant
Then why bring it up? Former jocks & coaches that open restaurants is quite frequent, compared to the general population.
You're throwing spaghetti on the wall to see if it sticks..
Posted on 4/14/11 at 4:05 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Bill Arnsparger was a defensive mastermind.
He was also a giant douche.
He was interviewing for the Florida AD job a week or so before the season opener in 1986 when he should have been getting a team ready to play.
This excerpt on the 1985 Liberty Bowl from Bob Brodhead's book Sacked sums up the Arnsparger era for me:
The final poll of the season ranked LSU twelfth, and the Liberty Bowl got an attractive matchup between the Tigers and the Baylor Bears for its December 27 classic in Memphis.
While Baylor was a respectable club with an 8-3 record and a stingy defense, I was confident it was a club that LSU would handle with ease. A victory here would not only move the Tigers into the Top Ten in the season's final plls, it would give LSU its first ten-victory season since 1961. The stage was set for a dramatic ending to the year.
In Baton Rouge, preparation for the trip to Memphis was well under way when Arnsparger decided to assert his new claim on independence and assume responsibility for the team's travel plans. While this was a drastic departure from the standard operating procedure which saw all such arrangements handled, always competently, by my Business Department, a full-fledged argument with Arnsparger would only serve to create more controversy. Since that was something I could do without, I reluctantly gave in to his demands.
Arnsparger insisted that the players be given travel money and allowed to drive their own cars to Memphis. Can you imagine ninety football players, ranging in age from 18 to 22, who live for five months of the year with every second of every day planned for them, suddenly having cash, freedom and wheels in Memphis for the holidays? Neither could Memphis, and the Liberty Bowl staff told me afterwards that the team had absolutely terrorized the city for one solid week.
On the field the quality of play certainly reflected the good times had by all. Baylor embarrassed the Tigers for four quarters, and when the gun mercifully sounded, the final score was 21-7.
BJ embarrassed us in the Liberty Bowl's VIP Box, where we had ill-advisedly been placed with officials from Baylor. The Baylor group was understandably voicing their pleasure over their team's performance, much to the displeasure of Mrs. Arnsparger. At one point, she said some very offensive things to one of the cheering Baylor fans. Unfortunately, the fan was the president of the university.
I was mortified and slipped out the door and down the hall to the coaches' box. I should have stayed where I was. This performance was even more embarrassing than the first one I had witnessed. Having called a few plays myself over the years, I knew that what I had walked in on was the most disorganized and confused attempt at game calling I'd ever seen.
Obviously, Arnsparger's preoccupation with pre-game administrative duties had come with a steep price tag.
Hindsight being 20/20, I should have stepped in and demanded that the team be transported by charter plane, as originally planned. At the time, however; I was tired of my increasingly frequent run-ins with the Coach and had sought the course of least resistance.
Sacked by Bob Brodhead, pp.77-79
He was also a giant douche.
He was interviewing for the Florida AD job a week or so before the season opener in 1986 when he should have been getting a team ready to play.
This excerpt on the 1985 Liberty Bowl from Bob Brodhead's book Sacked sums up the Arnsparger era for me:
The final poll of the season ranked LSU twelfth, and the Liberty Bowl got an attractive matchup between the Tigers and the Baylor Bears for its December 27 classic in Memphis.
While Baylor was a respectable club with an 8-3 record and a stingy defense, I was confident it was a club that LSU would handle with ease. A victory here would not only move the Tigers into the Top Ten in the season's final plls, it would give LSU its first ten-victory season since 1961. The stage was set for a dramatic ending to the year.
In Baton Rouge, preparation for the trip to Memphis was well under way when Arnsparger decided to assert his new claim on independence and assume responsibility for the team's travel plans. While this was a drastic departure from the standard operating procedure which saw all such arrangements handled, always competently, by my Business Department, a full-fledged argument with Arnsparger would only serve to create more controversy. Since that was something I could do without, I reluctantly gave in to his demands.
Arnsparger insisted that the players be given travel money and allowed to drive their own cars to Memphis. Can you imagine ninety football players, ranging in age from 18 to 22, who live for five months of the year with every second of every day planned for them, suddenly having cash, freedom and wheels in Memphis for the holidays? Neither could Memphis, and the Liberty Bowl staff told me afterwards that the team had absolutely terrorized the city for one solid week.
On the field the quality of play certainly reflected the good times had by all. Baylor embarrassed the Tigers for four quarters, and when the gun mercifully sounded, the final score was 21-7.
BJ embarrassed us in the Liberty Bowl's VIP Box, where we had ill-advisedly been placed with officials from Baylor. The Baylor group was understandably voicing their pleasure over their team's performance, much to the displeasure of Mrs. Arnsparger. At one point, she said some very offensive things to one of the cheering Baylor fans. Unfortunately, the fan was the president of the university.
I was mortified and slipped out the door and down the hall to the coaches' box. I should have stayed where I was. This performance was even more embarrassing than the first one I had witnessed. Having called a few plays myself over the years, I knew that what I had walked in on was the most disorganized and confused attempt at game calling I'd ever seen.
Obviously, Arnsparger's preoccupation with pre-game administrative duties had come with a steep price tag.
Hindsight being 20/20, I should have stepped in and demanded that the team be transported by charter plane, as originally planned. At the time, however; I was tired of my increasingly frequent run-ins with the Coach and had sought the course of least resistance.
Sacked by Bob Brodhead, pp.77-79
Posted on 4/14/11 at 6:13 am to Hitchcock
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Then why bring it up?
To indicate that his bowl wins didn't buy him much equity.
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Former jocks & coaches that open restaurants is quite frequent, compared to the general population.
oh okay
Posted on 4/14/11 at 7:36 am to Doc Fenton
Your two cents isn't worth two cents. Arnsparger loved and still loves LSU. Go see for yourself. I
He's at the San Diego alum crawfish boil every year. Never turns down a request to raise money for LSU and LSU alums.
He's at the San Diego alum crawfish boil every year. Never turns down a request to raise money for LSU and LSU alums.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 7:38 am to Vegas Bengal
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Arnsparger loved and still loves LSU.
Did Florida double his salary?
Posted on 4/14/11 at 7:49 am to timlan2057
He and Brodhead went from next door neighbors to enemies. Bob's account of things were a bit skewed by their feud. That said, they were both great for LSU.
Arnsparger told me he'd feel comfortable recommending Archer if he had to do it over again because hecsaid he's a fine man and knows his football. Said things sometimes don't work out for whatever reason and recalled his days as head coach in the NFL.
By the way, his eyes used to light up when I'd talk to him about the USC or Bama games or about particular players like Sammy Martin or Steve Rehage.He seemed surprised and pleased at my recollection of his days at LSU. Guess he didn't have many San Diegoans to go down memory lane with.
Arnsparger told me he'd feel comfortable recommending Archer if he had to do it over again because hecsaid he's a fine man and knows his football. Said things sometimes don't work out for whatever reason and recalled his days as head coach in the NFL.
By the way, his eyes used to light up when I'd talk to him about the USC or Bama games or about particular players like Sammy Martin or Steve Rehage.He seemed surprised and pleased at my recollection of his days at LSU. Guess he didn't have many San Diegoans to go down memory lane with.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 7:56 am to Vegas Bengal
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Arnsparger told me he'd feel comfortable recommending Archer if he had to do it over again because hecsaid he's a fine man and knows his footb
The good thing is I think most folk who would have input on hiring a coach would be apprehensive about hiring a 34 year old to be in charge of our program in the future.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:03 am to Rocket
Tell that to Tennessee, USC and Northwestern.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:17 am to NorthshoreTiger76
DAM CLOSE, IF HE HAD STAYED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BEST COACHES EVER AT LSU. 
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:24 am to Vegas Bengal
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Tell that to Tennessee, USC and Northwestern.
There's no need to. Lane Kiffin should have never been hired at Tennessee and USC. And I like Pat Fitzgerald, but it's not like Northwestern has the expectations we have.
Again, I would imagine most folk involved in any future football head coaching hirings at LSU will have reservations about hiring a 34 year old. And that's a good thing.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:41 am to Rocket
The 82 team would have beat the 87 team 8-10. They were very physical and had the best rush defense in the country. Just could not stay focused. 
Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:49 am to Rocket
The same folk who pays Miles $4 million.
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