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re: How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag
Posted on 10/11/09 at 10:00 pm to terd ferguson
Posted on 10/11/09 at 10:00 pm to terd ferguson
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2. The snapper shifting or moving the ball or moving his thumb or fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders or buttocks
See my answer above.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 10:02 pm to arrakis
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All are movements common to the position at the beginning of a play.
Correct.
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A look to the left is not. A look to the right is not.
Exactly. Combine that with the further wording in the rulebook that Terd posted, and you have a false start.
Also, nice job at bolding random words that don't apply to the situation.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 10:03 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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Just like on the Poli board, he just got pwnd and won't be back.
Guess that makes you wrong....again.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 10:09 pm to Golfer
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Exactly.
Huh? If the look left or the look right is not common to the position, the movement is NOT a false start.
But, let's take this a step further. How many plays did FL run in the 1st half? Let's pick a reasonable number and say 30. The center did the exact same movement on every play. Why didn't it draw LSU into the neutral zone when he looked?
I've posted one video where they were lined up in the neutral zone and other where the tackle anticipated the snap count. I'm sure the others would look the same.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 10:33 pm to arrakis
Looks like Terd flushed himself from the discussion.
Golfer, you are obviously an expert on the rules of the game and have extensive experience officiating. Is this your 5th or 6th year to call NCAA games?
I'll check back later.
Golfer, you are obviously an expert on the rules of the game and have extensive experience officiating. Is this your 5th or 6th year to call NCAA games?
I'll check back later.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:24 pm to arrakis
After watching the game on replay, I noticed their center simulating the snap most of the time by moving the ball forward just prior to snapping to Tebow. That should be called as illegal procedure in addition to his quick jerk of his head prior to the snap. I noticed tht the center stopped jerking his head after the penalty was called. I also observed last night and confirmed on replay that their left tackle was lined up in the backfied most of the game and should have been called for illegal formation with 5 men in the backfield. You can see it on the still shots shown in this thread above. No doubt it was purposely schemed that way to negate Alem's quickness on his pass rush, giving the tackle an ufair advantage on his pass protection. Having said all of this, UF was a better football team and without an offense, LSU will struggle in most games to generate any consistency. Thank God for our Defense.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:31 pm to Choupique19
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It was not a false start.
Then why did they call it on him in the 3rd quarter?
Well, if it is a false start, why did they NOT call it for an entire half?
Either way the refs screwed up one way or another.
From everyone i've spoked to who has actual coaching type experience, they've ALL said it is NOT a false start.
I thought it was a false start watching the game, but I'm rethinking that now.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:35 pm to shel311
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From everyone i've spoked to who has actual coaching type experience, they've ALL said it is NOT a false start.
The center cannot make an abrupt head jerk in any direction, then snap the ball. Period.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:37 pm to arrakis
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Looks like Terd flushed himself from the discussion.
If you read his second post in the thread, he said he normally refrains for posting on this board.
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Golfer, you are obviously an expert on the rules of the game and have extensive experience officiating.
And you are? I know how to read an interpret the NCAA book. I've also passed the NFHS test, where the rule is exactly the same.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:42 pm to Choupique19
quote:I saw that too.... FKN BS
Florida center for intentionally drawing the defense offsides with his head movement
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:43 pm to Choupique19
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How can college officials over 2 qtrs to throw a flag
If anyone gets a clarification on this I'd be interested in reading it.
I was under the impression that a false start is a false start regardless of whether it draws the defense offsides or not.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:49 pm to TX Tiger
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I was under the impression that a false start is a false start regardless of whether it draws the defense offsides or not.
This is true. Apparently, the head motion by the center is part of the "cadence" for the line. While perfectly legal, it cannot simulate snap movement or anything similar. Meyer most likely explained this during the pregame meeting with the officials so they would be more lenient with it since it was "planned". Just another example of UF bending the rulebook.
Not really against it, if they aren't going to call it...go for it.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:56 pm to arrakis
arrakis - it's impossible to try and explain these things to fans - I thought you knew that.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:58 pm to 62zip
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it's impossible to try and explain these things to fans
If the move wasn't illegal, I wouldn't disagree with him.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 11:59 pm to Golfer
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I was under the impression that a false start is a false start regardless of whether it draws the defense offsides or not.
This is true. Apparently, the head motion by the center is part of the "cadence" for the line. While perfectly legal, it cannot simulate snap movement or anything similar. Meyer most likely explained this during the pregame meeting with the officials so they would be more lenient with it since it was "planned". Just another example of UF bending the rulebook.
I understand all that, but how can you call it only because it drew the defense offsides when you haven't called it all night otherwise?????
It's either a false start or it isn't.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:02 am to Golfer
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This is true. Apparently, the head motion by the center is part of the "cadence" for the line. While perfectly legal, it cannot simulate snap movement or anything similar. Meyer most likely explained this during the pregame meeting with the officials so they would be more lenient with it since it was "planned". Just another example of UF bending the rulebook.
Not really against it, if they aren't going to call it...go for it.
Not three posts back you were saying just the opposite.
Are you SURE you can read and interpret the rule book.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:06 am to tiger91
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I want to know why it had to happen about 5 times before Les got to the official to tell him something ... I give Les this, when he DID get to the ref about it he sure was animated!
This is incorrect. Les was working that official the moment after it was called the second time. He was in his ear so much I would have punched him in the face.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 12:07 am
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:08 am to 62zip
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arrakis - it's impossible to try and explain these things to fans - I thought you knew that.
I know, but it's fun listening to their "logic" and "expertise".
They have no experience so it's almost impossible for them to grasp the philosophy of the rules. Add a bunch of ignorant announcers into the mix and it's no wonder fans get confused.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:10 am to arrakis
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Not three posts back you were saying just the opposite.
You are just awful at reading comprehension. Here is what I said:
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The center cannot make an abrupt head jerk in any direction, then snap the ball. Period.
He CANT make the motion and immediately snap the ball...how many times do I have to say this in how many different ways?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:12 am to arrakis
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but it's fun listening to their "logic" and "expertise".
You're the one calling me an expert here...
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