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re: Honestly, what would be the reason to extend O?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:33 pm to Tigre Diablo
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:33 pm to Tigre Diablo
If he keeps winning 10 games and gets us to NY6 bowl games, why not extend him?
I agree we do not need to extend him now, but if he has the same amount of success next year, we should go ahead and extend him at that point.
Why? Simple reason is stability for the program and recruiting. Easy to say that now that O has his own guys in place and Aranda, he can win 10 games a year and with our schedule/conference that can usually equate to a NY6.
I agree we do not need to extend him now, but if he has the same amount of success next year, we should go ahead and extend him at that point.
Why? Simple reason is stability for the program and recruiting. Easy to say that now that O has his own guys in place and Aranda, he can win 10 games a year and with our schedule/conference that can usually equate to a NY6.
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:36 pm to Topwater Trout
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other coaches will use that he doesn't have a contract extension when recruiting against us
There are probably better things to use against LSU right now other than a contract extension.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:38 pm to lsupride87
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I am saying it does not have a material effect and it shouldnt be a reason you extend someone.
Then explain why every AD in America, most being much wiser and knowledgeable about things like this than you or I, conduct business exactly like Alleva is doing right now? If it's not the recruiting/stability angle, then what is it? I know everyone wants to put this on Alleva, but I'm not sure (recently at least) if I've ever seen a single coach play out their contract before they're either extended or fired.
If I'm an elite recruit and there was an uncertainty if the coach I was committing to play for may not be there in a year or two, I would probably consider going elsewhere. Of course there is no way to quantify how often this happens or any verifiable results because we have no idea what is actually said in these rooms and how much, if any, that played into their decisions.
One thing I do think is Orgeron doesn't deserve to be fired this year. It's also worth mentioning he's one of the lowest paid coaches in the SEC, which I will concede is commensurate with what he should be paid when he signed his contract. I don't think he has earned a raise (which he'll probably get because...reasons) but I have no problem with him getting extended a couple of years if his buyout remains manageable. I believe it's sitting at about $8MM after this season.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:39 pm to lsupride87
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I am not saying coaches dont use that, I am saying it does not have a material effect and it shouldnt be a reason you extend someone. If you are concerned so much about negative recruiting, dont you think "10-25 was his record in his other head coaching job" would make you weary for negative recruiting?
For better or worse, you want to present your coach to recruits in a manner that reflects that the university is fully invested in him. Not offering some sort of extension based upon what was objectively a successful season sends up red flags and will be used against us in recruiting. The "10-25 in other jobs" is old jobs is now irrelevant. I'd like to see Kirby use that one on a recruit. Well Coach Smart, how is it that a 10-25 coach whipped your arse?
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:39 pm to lsufball19
Are they?
Can you illustrate this point?
Can you illustrate this point?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:39 pm to Tigre Diablo
Jesus Christ, not this thread again.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:41 pm to SammyTiger
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Are they?
Can you illustrate this point?
are they (who is they?) what?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:42 pm to lsufball19
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Then explain why every AD in America, most being much wiser and knowledgeable about things like this than you or I, conduct business exactly like Alleva is doing right now?
Every AD in America.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:43 pm to TigerLunatik
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There are probably better things to use against LSU right now other than a contract extension.
I think our fans have a much worse opinion of LSU as a program than the rest of the country and recruits do. Believe it or not, LSU is still a very attractive place for blue chip high school players.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:44 pm to Tigre Diablo
Why didn’t we just keep Miles?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:44 pm to SammyTiger
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Every AD in America.
So you think posters on this message board have more knowledge and expertise on how to negotiate contracts and how to manage an athletic department than athletic directors with decades of knowledge and experience? Really? That was a rhetorical statement.
ETA: But you do you and downvote because you have no rational argument otherwise.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:45 pm to Tigre Diablo
Other competitors use it against us in recruiting. Orgeron deserves an extension after a very good year.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:46 pm to lsufball19
I don't have a negative view of LSU at all. If it were me though recruiting against LSU, the first thing I would bring up is that Orgeron has managed to bring in one, maybe 2 assistant coaches that have made an improvement on the team. McMahon and Pete Jenkins are really the only two guys that he's identified and brought in that have been worth a shite so far.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:47 pm to lsufball19
Saying everyone does something exactly like our AD isn’t rhetorical.
And you act like everyone is good at their jobs.
And you act like everyone is good at their jobs.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:47 pm to mhc4tigers
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Orgeron deserves an extension after a very good year
Shouldn’t we wait for one of those first?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:48 pm to SammyTiger
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Saying everyone does something exactly like our AD isn’t rhetorical.
Then provide me an example of an AD the last 15 years letting a football coach play out the entirety of his contract. I also used the word "most" not "every." Reading is your friend
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And you act like everyone is good at their jobs.
I never said that. I said they are better at their jobs and know what they're doing a lot more than anyone on here that bitches about literally any and everything. Our fans bitch in generalities saying "X idea" is stupid without being able to support that opinion or rebut "X idea" in the slightest.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:50 pm to Topwater Trout
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other coaches
You really think Alabama or Florida or Texas A&M have to resort to that?
Its more likely they suggest recruits look at O's hands for hardware of any kind.
There is no reason to extend a guy in the second year of a five year contract who has done nothing to get LSU a west title or advance LSU in anyway to be more competitive with Alabama.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:51 pm to SammyTiger
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Shouldn’t we wait for one of those first?
This was objectively a very good year when considering our record against this schedule and our final regular season ranking. Does not matter what some anonymous internet clown trolls on here.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:51 pm to lsufball19
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Then provide me an example of an AD the last 15 years letting a football coach play out the entirety of his contract. I also used the word "most" not "every." Reading is your friend
No one is saying that.
We’re saying wait another year to make the decision.
You’re saying almost every coach gets an extension and raise in year 2 of their contract.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:53 pm to lsufball19
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Then explain why every AD in America, most being much wiser and knowledgeable about things like this than you or I, conduct business exactly like Alleva is doing right now? If it's not the recruiting/stability angle, then what is it?
As was stated earlier, it was a scam perpetrated by agents on behalf of their clients. The recruiting angle has become conventional wisdom because they made it so, and it buys time for ADs to protect their own arse on coaching hires.
It's why Lovie Smith, in the middle of a 6-year contract without any success whatsoever, gets an extra 2 years after a 4-win season. How did Illinois' AD rationalize it? "Faith" and "stability".
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