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re: Honest answers here, what do you feel should be the floor for lsu baseball each season
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:01 am to tigerbait2010
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:01 am to tigerbait2010
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That’s fair but thoughts on Tim Corbin? He signs a top 3 class every year and Vanderbilt seems to be wildly inconsistent.
What about Sullivan? Dude has had bad seasons and struck gold this year getting paired with Oklahoma state.
To be fair, those are the only two coaches in the last decade who have made it back to Omaha the year after they won the title.
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Jay is going to always give lsu a respectable chance in a sport with insane parity so not sure what you think the bar is
And I'm totally fine with that, but Mainieri was doing this for a long time and the LSU fanbase has hated him ever since 2013.
It sucks and it's unreasonable, but the rant showed us already that winning one title and making it regularly to the supers and semi-regularly to Omaha is not enough.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:03 am
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:02 am to Broski
The biggest LOL is Dave Van Horn. Arkansas has as much talent as anyone in the country every year and they just can’t get it done in the postseason.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:03 am to Broski
So they get passes for having objectively bad seasons and have also coached quite a few more years than Jay?
Just not sure where we are going with questioning Jay. At his age he’s accomplished more than, well, all of his current competition
Just not sure where we are going with questioning Jay. At his age he’s accomplished more than, well, all of his current competition
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:04 am to RB10
It’s almost as if all great coaches besides Bertman and the bourdreaux guy from USC in the 70s fall short due to parity
Crazy
Crazy
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:05 am to tigerbait2010
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So they get passes for having objectively bad seasons and have also coached quite a few more years than Jay?
Huh?
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Just not sure where we are going with questioning Jay. At his age he’s accomplished more than, well, all of his current competition
I'm not questioning him, just think it's too soon to say for sure that he is definitely not putting us on the same path as Mainieri did... which by the way is a really good path to be on for pretty much any college baseball program, but like I said a couple posts up, LSU fans hated Mainieri since 2013.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:08 am to Broski
What program are you comparing us to besides Tennessee, who has had a coach in place for half a decade? If this were year 5-7 and LSU had issues maybe that makes sense.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:09 am to tigerbait2010
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What program are you comparing us to besides Tennessee, who has had a coach in place for half a decade? If this were year 5-7 and LSU had issues maybe that makes sense.
My baw in christ, you are totally misrepresenting what I'm saying.Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:10 am to Broski
I’m drunk 
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:11 am to Broski
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I'm not questioning him, just think it's too soon to say for sure that he is definitely not putting us on the same path as Mainieri did... which by the way is a really good path to be on for pretty much any college baseball program, but like I said a couple posts up, LSU fans hated Mainieri since 2013.
Mainieri wins a title in 2013 or 2017 an he’s looked at completely differently. The consistency was great though, even with the bad seasons mixed in occasionally.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:13 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:13 am to RB10
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Mainieri wins a title in 2013 or 2017 an he’s looked at completely differently. The consistency was great though.
Yep.
And that's all I'm saying. Jay basically has to win another title for the fanbase to not turn on him, even if he is consistently making supers.
It's fricked up, but a sad reality.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:14 am to Broski
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And that's all I'm saying. Jay basically has to win another title for the fanbase to not turn on him, even if he is consistently making supers.
It's fricked up, but a sad reality.
You’re too optimistic. He could win multiple titles and the first missed postseason or 3 year stretch without a title and fans would want him fired.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:16 am to RB10
TruePosted on 6/4/24 at 12:23 am to Weaver
* Host regionals 7x every 10 years
* National seed 4x every 10 years
* Reach Omaha 3x every 10 years
* Miss the NCAA tournament 1x every 10 years (shite happens sometimes)
* Winning the regional and/or supers when you host 9 outta 10
No championship qualifiers because it's so damn hard to win the CWS no matter who you are. Get to Omaha enough and let the chips fall where they may. Though if you start stacking 0-2 and 1-2 performances, there will be questions.
Ultimately, I expect LSU to be a perennial power in the same vein as Arkansas, Florida, Vandy, and now Tennessee. Say what you want about those teams' postseason problems (and you can say a lot), they are consistently considered elite year-in, year-out and keep setting themselves up for postseason success. The fact they've blown those opportunities is a separate issue.
There was a lot made about LSU's first 5 weeks in the SEC this season, and it was absolutely tough. But LSU is supposed to be and expected to be mentioned in the same breath as those teams. It should've been tough for them as well.
* National seed 4x every 10 years
* Reach Omaha 3x every 10 years
* Miss the NCAA tournament 1x every 10 years (shite happens sometimes)
* Winning the regional and/or supers when you host 9 outta 10
No championship qualifiers because it's so damn hard to win the CWS no matter who you are. Get to Omaha enough and let the chips fall where they may. Though if you start stacking 0-2 and 1-2 performances, there will be questions.
Ultimately, I expect LSU to be a perennial power in the same vein as Arkansas, Florida, Vandy, and now Tennessee. Say what you want about those teams' postseason problems (and you can say a lot), they are consistently considered elite year-in, year-out and keep setting themselves up for postseason success. The fact they've blown those opportunities is a separate issue.
There was a lot made about LSU's first 5 weeks in the SEC this season, and it was absolutely tough. But LSU is supposed to be and expected to be mentioned in the same breath as those teams. It should've been tough for them as well.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:29 am to nps6724
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* Host regionals 7x every 10 years
* National seed 4x every 10 years
* Reach Omaha 3x every 10 years
* Miss the NCAA tournament 1x every 10 years (shite happens sometimes)
* Winning the regional and/or supers when you host 9 outta 10
Mainieri from 2008 - 2019
1 Title
5 CWS appearances
8 Top 8 National seeds (6 straight years from 2012-2017)
8 Super Regional appearances
...and the fanbase hated him.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:38 am to Broski
The hate for Maineri at the end wasn’t remotely the same as the super regional chokes in his earlier years.
I’ve lived in Oregon for five years and watched lsu for two of them because the program fell to the point we weren’t hosting and a three seed. Not to mention covid saved maineri for a terrible season we got bailed out on.
You’re kind of missing where the animosity skyrocketed when things went downhill after 2017. He was generally well liked before 2018. Sure he caught scrutiny earlier but sensible fans were overall okay with what he was doing. After 2017 things went south
I’ve lived in Oregon for five years and watched lsu for two of them because the program fell to the point we weren’t hosting and a three seed. Not to mention covid saved maineri for a terrible season we got bailed out on.
You’re kind of missing where the animosity skyrocketed when things went downhill after 2017. He was generally well liked before 2018. Sure he caught scrutiny earlier but sensible fans were overall okay with what he was doing. After 2017 things went south
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:40 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:41 am to Broski
What hurt CPM was that last bit -- "winning the regional and/or supers when you host 9 outta 10". 6 straight national seeds but went 2-3 in the supers with all 3 losses to non-hosts plus 1 loss in regionals. Then there was hosting supers vs. FSU as the better seed and losing as well.
CPM never offset those losses as the favorite with wins as the underdog. The only one was the 2021 Eugene regional, but then we got swept in the supers. It may not be fair, but those teams set expectations extremely high during the regular season only to experience multiple early exits in a short period of time. And like someone else said, it wasn't capped with another natty.
Though I personally don't hold not winning another natty against him because there's so much luck that goes into that. Which side of the bracket you're on, injuries (Eric Walker
), how the ball bounces, etc.
CPM never offset those losses as the favorite with wins as the underdog. The only one was the 2021 Eugene regional, but then we got swept in the supers. It may not be fair, but those teams set expectations extremely high during the regular season only to experience multiple early exits in a short period of time. And like someone else said, it wasn't capped with another natty.
Though I personally don't hold not winning another natty against him because there's so much luck that goes into that. Which side of the bracket you're on, injuries (Eric Walker
), how the ball bounces, etc. Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:43 am to Weaver
The floor is the supers. LSU has no excuse not to be in the final 16 3 out of 5 years
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:45 am to tigerbait2010
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You’re kind of missing where the animosity skyrocketed when things went downhill after 2017.
The team was in the super regionals 2 years later and then made another super two years after that in his last season. We have people in this thread saying it doesn't matter if Jay gets LSU hosting or not, as long as LSU makes the supers.
The animosity skyrocketed when he went 0-2 in Omaha after he got Stony Brook'd.
But again, people are literally listing their expectations for Johnson not realizing that Mainieri met those expectations and hated him for it.
Mainieri's biggest mistake was winning his CWS too early. If he wins that title in 2013 or 2015 instead of 2009, then the anxiety doesn't build in the immediate aftermath of losing in 2017.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:00 am to Broski
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The team was in the super regionals 2 years later and then made another super two years after that in his last season.
But LSU got swept in both. Once at home by a worse seed and once on the road by a better seed. You need to win one of those. Either overachieve as the underdog or meet expectations as the favorite. There were simply too many instances where LSU lost at home as a favorite and wasn't making up for it as a road 'dog.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:18 am to Weaver
LSU baseball should never miss a regional. Not being a top 16 seed every so often will happen and isn't a big deal but more often than not they should be top 16 with a good portion of those being top 8
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