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re: Here's why this is a colossal fail on the part of Les Miles
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:25 pm to XbengalTiger
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:25 pm to XbengalTiger
But Pelini had prior experience as a defensive coordinator. We hired two guys from within who had no experience as a coordinator. Peveto had been our linebackers coach, and our linebackers were the worst part of our defense at the time.
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Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:28 pm to Prodigal Tiger
I've said this before but seems like it's time again.
If is so obvious that Les isn't getting it done then how is our AD letting it continue? Some on here act as if failure it the only direction we can go. Again, if this is true then why are we spending time bashing Les? Is Les going to read this and quit?
If is so obvious that Les isn't getting it done then how is our AD letting it continue? Some on here act as if failure it the only direction we can go. Again, if this is true then why are we spending time bashing Les? Is Les going to read this and quit?
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:30 pm to OFWHAP
quote:Pelini had 1 season of experience as a DC before he was hired as a co-DC at Oklahoma.
But Pelini had prior experience as a defensive coordinator.
quote:Were coming off a 34-6 three year run. The worst part of a top 5 team is all relative. It didn't work but there was proof that that defense could be run by co-DC's.
Peveto had been our linebackers coach, and our linebackers were the worst part of our defense at the time.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:37 pm to dgnx6
A lot of good athletes play quarterback in high school because their coach wants them to touch the ball on every snap. Players such as Michael Clayton, Early Doucet, Kevin Faulk, etc. all played quarterback. That doesn't mean they should be considered as viable options in the event of thin qb depth. When you resort to someone who played quarterback (which consisted of running the option) in high school, you're in trouble.
And what games were we winning with walk-on quarterbacks?
And what games were we winning with walk-on quarterbacks?
This post was edited on 8/17/10 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:39 pm to Prodigal Tiger
quote:
First of all, I am not the least bit angry with Zach Lee. That young man did exactly what I would have done in the same situation. He is looking out for his own best interests, and used the tools at his disposal to negotiate the best contract that he could. This involved making the Dodgers think he had other interests to pursue and didn't mind not signing a deal. Good for him.
If Les Miles had 1/10th of the cunning and foresight of Zach Lee then we would not be in this situation.
Everybody - everybody - knew when Zach Lee was recruited that he was a big-time baseball prospect who was a likely 1st rounder. Everybody also knows that MLB first rounders get multi-million dollar contracts. Who in the hell is going to turn down 1st-round money to risk injury playing college football? Seriously. And before you run to the history books to find some example, be aware that for every 1 kid you can find that passed up the money I can find 99 who took it. Let's all agree for purposes of this discussion that 1st round picks almost always take the money.
So, 1) knowing that the kid will be a 1st rounder, and 2) knowing that 1st rounders almost always leave, and 3) knowing by this point that Chris Garret is apparently not what you were looking for, and 5) knowing that your only two real quarterbacks (who have both struggled mightily) will be juniors this year, Les Miles signs only 1 quarterback?!?!?! The guy who is unlikely to ever play a down????? This for an offense that was 112 out of 117 last year.
How in the world did Miles reach this sort of decision? Has he examined the history of high draft picks in baseball? Did he talk to Paul Mainieri at all about this? Tell me what other top programs are in this situation right now.
If you are finding any positivity out of Les Miles latest turd then good for you. You probably spin the clock-management debacle at Ole Miss too. Seriously, good for you. If you are the type of person that can get pissed on and then convince yourself it's raining then I applaude you. I wish I were more like you.
I'm not like you, though, and I expect our coach to think 2 or 3 steps ahead at all times. I'm sure Miles is sitting in his office right now thinking "this kid really screwed us over." bullshite. You didn't have the knowledge or foresight to know how these things play out and to have a plan.
And anyone who calls me a crybaby is just lashing out in anger at their own inability to come to terms with what the rest of us have known for a long time:
Les Miles is in over his head. He was able to keep the wheels on Saban's truck long enough to pull out some nice seasons, but he is not the guy who is going to maintain this program at an elite level.
And if you don't see this, it's probably because you are just like him. You are the 112 best employe (out of 117) at your office, and you are fine with that. You are certainly not the boss.
Have a great day.
+ 1,000,000
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:39 pm to Choctaw
quote:
what "failure" are you referring to?
Where have you been? Anyway, here goes.
2008, defense ranked 100+ in the country, precipitated by mind-boggling decision to co-promote two average coaches instead of going out and getting a known commodity like a big-time program should do.
2009, defense fixed, offense now ranked 100+ in the country. Who knows exactly why, but it all falls on the head man.
2009, our qb's have underperformed, so it's critical to sign some quality guys. You sign one who you like so much that you cut him as a RS freshman, and you sign another who everyone knows it not going to be a full-time SEC QB.
2010, you know you are going to cut one of the QBs, and the other is now a receiver. It is really, really important to sign a QB now. So he goes out and signs ONE guy who is going to be a 1st round pick (in another sport).
2009-2010; two straight losses to Ole Miss, Bama, UF, and probably some I am leaving out. We don't know who our 2012 QB will be, that young man is sitting in home room somewhere right now. We are unranked in some polls, and are picked 4th in the SEC west.
Do you want me to go on? I will.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:43 pm to Prodigal Tiger
quote:
2008, defense ranked 100+ in the country, precipitated by mind-boggling decision to co-promote two average coaches instead of going out and getting a known commodity like a big-time program should do.
2009, defense fixed, offense now ranked 100+ in the country. Who knows exactly why, but it all falls on the head man.
2009, our qb's have underperformed, so it's critical to sign some quality guys. You sign one who you like so much that you cut him as a RS freshman, and you sign another who everyone knows it not going to be a full-time SEC QB.
2010, you know you are going to cut one of the QBs, and the other is now a receiver. It is really, really important to sign a QB now. So he goes out and signs ONE guy who is going to be a 1st round pick (in another sport).
2009-2010; two straight losses to Ole Miss, Bama, UF, and probably some I am leaving out. We don't know who our 2012 QB will be, that young man is sitting in home room somewhere right now. We are unranked in some polls, and are picked 4th in the SEC west.
Do you want me to go on? I will.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:47 pm to Jaydeaux
quote:
Again, if this is true then why are we spending time bashing Les? Is Les going to read this and quit?
Welcome to the Tiger Rant, it is a forum for discussing LSU athletics. Enjoy your time here.
What kind of question is that? This is an LSU football discussion and you can't have one these days without talking about the obvious.
What would be the point of coming on here and praising him? Is he going to read it and get excited.
What is the point of discussin pointless athletic events anyway?
(damn that last one hurt)
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:56 pm to Prodigal Tiger
Good job leaving the context of my post out. All I'm saying is if you're that worried and you're that sure about it you should be concerned about the AD.
Here's how I feel about it. If it is as obvious as you make it out, that we're doomed with Les, then I'm more frightful of the future b/c of the AD.
Or
Our AD is sound and this is just the malcontents bitching for the sake of having something to bitch about.
Here's how I feel about it. If it is as obvious as you make it out, that we're doomed with Les, then I'm more frightful of the future b/c of the AD.
Or
Our AD is sound and this is just the malcontents bitching for the sake of having something to bitch about.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 3:57 pm to Prodigal Tiger
Ok, so less goes and signs another top QB prospect and Zach decides to go to another school, you would be all over Miles for that one as well. These kids play the system very well and the top kids want guarantees they will play and play early. If they see too much competition, they will go somewhere else. Coaches can't win in this situation.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:02 pm to FWTiger1022
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Ok, so less goes and signs another top QB prospect and Zach decides to go to another school, you would be all over Miles for that one as well. These kids play the system very well and the top kids want guarantees they will play and play early. If they see too much competition, they will go somewhere else. Coaches can't win in this situation.
Competition was not the problem with Lee, it was money. LSU couldn't compete there so this isn't on Les Miles.
What is on Les, and will be on Les in a couple of years is the lack of depth and experience at the QB position. Barring a miracle, LSU is going to suffer at the position in a few years and be reset back to '08. Miles and Co. should prepare for such a contingency. After being in that situation once, there is no excuse for being in that position again.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:03 pm to Prodigal Tiger
quote:
knowing that your only two real quarterbacks (who have both struggled mightily) will be juniors this year, Les Miles signs only 1 quarterback?!?!?!
yeah right....like there were tons of top rated qb's just salivating at the chance to wear the old purple and gold.
to call you a douchebag would be insulting to all the good douchebags on the rant...so I won't.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:04 pm to FWTiger1022
quote:
Ok, so less goes and signs another top QB prospect and Zach decides to go to another school, you would be all over Miles for that one as well.
Well in your scenario, we would still have a top QB prospect, right? Lee signs with someone else and we are sitting pretty with the football player (as opposed to baseball player) that we signed? I would not be all over Miles for that. That scenario would have demonstrated Miles wits and forethought. (it made me laugh just to type it)
quote:
These kids play the system very well
I think you nailed it. Our seasoned, 55 year-old coach just got played by an 18 year-old kid. Everybody saw it coming but him.
There are guys out there, you know some of them, who are always getting played. Then there are guys who never get played. I want our coach to be one of the latter.
Is that too much to ask?
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:07 pm to Prodigal Tiger
quote:
There are guys out there, you know some of them, who are always getting played. Then there are guys who never get played. I want our coach to be one of the latter.
I would have thought Miles would have learned from the RP experience not to put too much trust in one QB. Guess not.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:07 pm to FWTiger1022
quote:
Ok, so less goes and signs another top QB prospect and Zach decides to go to another school,
If Zach Lee required a commitment from Miles that he be the only QB commit, then Miles f'ed up.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:15 pm to byubengalboy
quote:
yeah right....like there were tons of top rated qb's just salivating at the chance to wear the old purple and gold.
That is exactly the loser attitude that pisses me off.
We are LSU, the argument goes, so why would any top QB come here? Poor Miles, he does the best he can with the limited resources we have, but you can't demand that he bring in a top QB (or any QB, for that matter), sniff, sniff.
Actually, we are one of the top programs (I mean in the larger sense, not in the sense that we don't suck right now) in the country. We have two MNCs in the past 8 years, we have one of the best records during that time (which has fallen dramatically in the past two years, though), we have one of the largest stadiums and one of the largest athletic budgets.
I think it is exceedingly fair to expect our head coach to bring in top prospects at each position. You and I just think differently.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:19 pm to Prodigal Tiger
quote:
Where have you been? Anyway, here goes.
2008, defense ranked 100+ in the country, precipitated by mind-boggling decision to co-promote two average coaches instead of going out and getting a known commodity like a big-time program should do.
2009, defense fixed, offense now ranked 100+ in the country. Who knows exactly why, but it all falls on the head man.
2009, our qb's have underperformed, so it's critical to sign some quality guys. You sign one who you like so much that you cut him as a RS freshman, and you sign another who everyone knows it not going to be a full-time SEC QB.
2010, you know you are going to cut one of the QBs, and the other is now a receiver. It is really, really important to sign a QB now. So he goes out and signs ONE guy who is going to be a 1st round pick (in another sport).
2009-2010; two straight losses to Ole Miss, Bama, UF, and probably some I am leaving out. We don't know who our 2012 QB will be, that young man is sitting in home room somewhere right now. We are unranked in some polls, and are picked 4th in the SEC west.
Do you want me to go on? I will.
So you're calling Miles' tenure here a failure because of the last two years?
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:20 pm to Prodigal Tiger
I do not disagree with what you are saying PT. However, your post would have sounded a lot more clever if it had been made prior to February 3, 2010. It seems like everyone was pretty satisfied with Miles on NSD, especially with the surprise signings he ended up pulling on NSD. It is easy to bash Miles the day after the Dodgers throw down $5,000,000 basically out of nowhere. Would you have believed me if I had told you in February that ZL would end up getting a $5,000,000 offer when he was the 28th pick?
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:21 pm to Prodigal Tiger
quote:
Everybody saw it coming but him.
dude...just stfu already. You've embarrassed yourself enough.
Posted on 8/17/10 at 4:23 pm to VICTORY11
Is the answer: Barrett Bailey?
quote:
Dual-threat quarterback
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
University Laboratory School
Ht:6'4"verified
Wt:188 lbs verified
40:4.7 secs
Shuttle:4.69
Vertical:26 inches
GPA:3.2
Class:2009 (High School)
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