re: Herb Tyler versus JJ, who would you rather have?

Box car Willie U don't watch much football do u ? Hang in there u'll eventually get it.

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U don't watch much football do u ?

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i watch a lot of football

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but he played at a high level within that system the later half of 2010

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Ok you said latter half he played at a high level.
Starting with the McNeese St game which was the 7th game of a 13 game season his qb ratings were as follows:
91.9,63.3,193.4,82.8,209.6,116.5 and 164.1.

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3 very good games and 4 horrible to bad games. I would hardly consider a good game less than every other game a high level.

Of course based oh his quotes after the McNeese game Jordan may consider all 7 of those games a high level but I would doubt any reasonable observer would agree.

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but most fans are upset with Miles' unwillingness to make a change....

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Most fans???

You mean those who screamed to have JL replaced by JJ and then screamed to have JJ replaced by JL???

I'm pretty content to allow one of the, if not the most successful staffs/HC in LSU history to make the QB call, but the idea that some have that they know better than a highly successful staff who sees the players 24/7...well, that's pretty amusing in my book, but each to our own.

I dont think anyone hear has all the answers but I do think we have eyes and can see qb performance that is holding the team back. I totally agree that Miles and the staff are more informed than anyone hear but I do believe any observer watching other qb's in the country as well as LSU qb's in the past would be befuddled at why LSU puts such an inept qb on the field.

You can call it bashing but here is the stats from last year and I think it is a fair arugument to wonder why we cant expect more from the qb position at LSU.

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secman I am not positive it is our right but we are fans and that is what we do.

I think the infuriating part for me and several I know who share a similiar opinion is seeing all the talent LSU puts on the field at all the other positions and it appears (not saying it is but it definitely appears) the same standards are not being applied to the qb position.

In the past players have been replaced for not performing up to par at other positions but that does not seem to be the case for JJ. I know some will argue that if Miles had a better option he would put them out their but it seems that after Lee seriously outperformed JJ by a huge margin in the Tenn and Fla game but JJ kept his job that was not the case.

Also hearing JJ saying he thought he played well after putting up 4 total yards against McNeese drives people nuts and makes you wonder how JJ is being graded on a weekly basis by the coaching staff.

I have heard some supposedly in the know say that last year in practice JJ looked great and Miles kept waiting for it to show up on the field but if it is a pattern then I only believe you can wait for so long.

You add Shepherd's quote where he stated it is all mental for JJ one play he is great the next ur like come on Jordan. I am paraphrasing but that was the jist of the statment.In my opinion the last thing you need for a national championship contender is a qb who lacks mental toughness.

Anyway now I am definitely ranting so will end it here

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Lee actually was outperformed by JJ in total offense in the UF game 124-154, UT was 185-130 adv Lee, and admittedly a bad JJ performance with 2 ints. Hardly the huge margin you posted though.

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Okay to be perfectly accurate in the Florida game Lee hugely outperformed JJ when you take into account amount of time played. JJ was 7-12 for 100 yards passing with 1 INT and 42 yards rushing with a rating of 111.7, Lee was 9-11 for 124 yards with 2 TD's and 0 INT's with a rating of 236.5 are you really going to argue it was even close in that game.

In the Tennessee game Jefferson was 3 for 10 for 30 yards passing with 2 INT's and ran 5 times for 100 yards with a rating of 15.2. Basically except for the TD run he sank the offense and I think you can argue if Lee played the entire game he would have more than made up for the TD JJ scored which was basically his only positive play of the game. Lee was 16-23 for 185 yards and ran 3 times for -15 yards with a rating of 128.4.

The next week against McNeese JJ had a rating of 91.9 where he racked up a grand total of 4 yards of total offense Lee had a rating of 109.3 with 76 total yards which isnt great but alot more than 4. Prior to the Tennessee game against WVU JJ had a rating of 55.9 with 96 total yards. Lee was 1-1 for 5 yards so you cant compare their but you wonder why Lee wasnt brought in more.

In those 4 consecutive games I would argue that at any other position if a starter was outperformed that much by his backup he would have been benched. So I do think it is fair to wonder why JJ kept his job given the evidence.

Not to mention JJ going out during that stretch and being quoted as thinking he was playing fine. Again makes you wonder how is he being graded by the staff is/was there a JJ curve?

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He even tried JL a couple times and it didn't really work out. Not sure why he never tried TC.

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Seemed to work pretty well against Tenn and Florida. Again after the West Va, Tenn,Florida,McNeese St stretch you would have thought he would have started Lee, especially after he outperformed JJ in the Tenn,FL and McNeese St games. I mean that could have been the worst 4 game stretch of play by a qb in the entire nation last season.

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To those saying it isn't close are speaking from either ignorance, hate, or (more likely) both.

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Going into HT's Sr year, he had passed for bout 3900 with 22 TDs and 17 ints. LSU had 19 wins combined in 96 and 97 and finished NR at #12 and #13.

Gong into JJ's Sr year, he has passed for bout 3850 yds with 25 TDs and 17 ints. LSU won 20 games in 2009 and 2010 combined and finished NR at #17 and #8.