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re: Having JJ back could make us more dynamic (wildcat)
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:47 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:47 am to CharlesLSU
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Many of you do LSU's winningest coach a disservice and a discredit when you ridicule the idea of reinstating JJ due to simply assuming Les Miles will forsake HIS team for a perceived loyalty to JJ that would bump Lee.
Lee bailed the team out against UF, Tenn, and you could argue Bama but Jefferson was allowed to continue to struggle getting the vast majority of snaps. There are legitimate concerns in regards to Miles decisions with the QB if JJ is back on this team, IMO.
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Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:47 am to heartbreakTiger
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Seems kinda selfish of you to want to bring jj back in so he can just stand on the sidelines.
don't spin. I want them to provide JJ the true opportunity to make that decision on his own. If he wants to transfer, then I want him to.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:54 am to CantonTiger128
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What the hell does your love for lsu have to do with this situation? Mine goes very deep as well...and for many years. That is beside the point though. LSU has had an awful offense under JJ, in fact, triple digit rankings the past two years, or right at it. We probably led the league in 3 and outs. That is the biggest change this year, much less 3 and outs...and of course the obvious passing threat LSU now has. I DO NOT want JJ anywhere near that offense next year with a stud like Mett waiting in the wings. I think Les and Co. have seen now what can be accomplished without a "running qb". I also think Mett will be much better than Lee, and I love what Lee is doing this year. It is because of my love for LSU that I don't want JJ anywhere around it. There are a lot of kids who bleed purple and gold that are not quite good enough to play for the Tigers. IMO, JJ is one of them.
If you played for LSU, if you were somehow invested in the program, then you would understand. Players have a strong distaste for fans who don't give a frick about players as long as they are winning......and keep the "I love LSU too" shite to yourself. What you have shown is that you love the opportunity to flaunt YOUR winning LSU program at the water cooler.
I see what Lee brings to this squad and know that the kid hurt for years due to his love of LSU. But, I also care for what happens to the other Tiger and if they end up in the fricking Indy bowl, I would be honored to shake all of their hands.......I know the blood, sweat, and tears they put into it. They pay for the jerseys with their souls. And, no, most kids couldn't cut it regardless of their fandom.
Some of you selfish fricks make me want to puke!
ETA: and for the record, it is my opinion that Lee take ALL of the snaps for the remainder of the season unless he fails at producing.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:55 am to CharlesLSU
We don't need the wildcat.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:58 am to skullhawk
quote:There is more concern if JJ is not on team. It is quite possible we won't be able to move the ball against a couple of the SEC Ds. It's better to have the option of a dual threat if needed to loosen up DL.
There are legitimate concerns in regards to Miles decisions with the QB if JJ is back on this team, IMO.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:59 am to CharlesLSU
quote:If he's innocent then the damage is misplaced and he shouldn't have to endure it. Not saying I want him starting as a QB, but if the charges are dropped and he's innocent, are you still going to hold a grudge against him?
the damage has been done to jj in br.
Thinking about this a bit more from a football standpoint, if JJ could run the pistol or the TRUE option like RP did in '07, he could help us. I haven't seen JJ have the ability to correctly run the option, however.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:59 am to bigberg2000
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Nobody is saying he should be starting and you are absolutely right in saying that he adds another dynamic to our offense that could be useful in certain situations.
The only reason some aren't saying he should be starting is because they would be laughed out of the room. JJ isn't a great runner and he isn't a great passer. WTF would be the up side of him being on the field?
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:01 pm to CharlesLSU
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because its about right and wrong. not giving two fricks about him for YOUR selfish wants is fricking wrong.
Heartbreak--and a lot of tards on here--are too stupid to comprehend just how selfish they are being. They put their own selfish hatred of a guy they've never met over what is not only right, but above what is best for the team. Yet they've convinced themselves that they know what that is better than the ones inside the program. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so damn sad.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:13 pm to Mayhawman
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There is more concern if JJ is not on team. It is quite possible we won't be able to move the ball against a couple of the SEC Ds. It's better to have the option of a dual threat if needed to loosen up DL.
I don't get this argument. He hasn't been able to do it for two years but now that he's been out for over a month he's evolved into Mike Vick.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:17 pm to BabyTac
Wildcat is more to run the ball than pass so Spencer Ware would be the most lofgical choice to run it. I want JJ back on the team but don't think he should play unless JL gets hurt. And I was/am a JJ supporter.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:21 pm to INFIDEL
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The only reason some aren't saying he should be starting is because they would be laughed out of the room. JJ isn't a great runner and he isn't a great passer. WTF would be the up side of him being on the field?
Exactly. How much more of an anemic offense led by JJ do some of you need to see until you think it's time to let it go?
Has Lee developed and improved until Krags...yes I think he has. But if memory serves, he did pretty damn well in limited time last year. You know when he almost single handily bailed us out of 2 games that should never have been that close and making the play to seal it in another.
We do not NEED to run the wildcat. We're one of the top scoring offenses in the ENTIRE country. Why fix what isn't broken? And if we do that, Ware or Shep are more than capable and faster than JJ. Our offense is as efficient as it's been since Flynn left. Our current qb rarely makes a mistake...that is in 3 games away from TS against ranked teams, not too shabby imo.
Stop with the comparisons to Perrilloux. Jefferson is not and has never been remotely as good as Perrilloux was even as a sophomore. I don't hate JJ but he just is not fit to be the QB for this team and that's been obvious for a long time now. We're better off where we are now, we're ranked #1 and look good, no reason to disrupt that.
:inb4tl;dr:
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:22 pm to oompaw
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Is it too late to redshirt ZM?
If JJ comes back, why not redshirt ZM if it's not too late and then we'll have him 3 years as starter...
You have to be fricking kidding me
THREE YEARS TO PLAY THREE
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:29 pm to PortCityTiger24
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I wouldn't mind JJ taking a few snaps as a running threat.
in mop up duty only..and then also split time with Mett...
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:31 pm to Doucet09
Lee is our quarterback so let's stick with him. They voted him offensive captain, and what captain gets benched for someone else to play their position?
This is fricking rediculous
This is fricking rediculous
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:33 pm to skullhawk
quote:It's really not an argument, just a lot of people that don't know X&Os spouting off. Any student of the game knows the advantages of dual threat QBs, read and veer option.
I don't get this argument.
quote:You sound as if you were dissatisfied with our rushing game last year?
He hasn't been able to do it for two years but now that he's been out for over a month he's evolved into Mike Vick.
In case you're confused, we rushed for over a 1/2ypc more last year(4.53), vs much stiffer Ds than we've faced so far this year(3.98).
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:36 pm to BabyTac
We don't need JJ. We've played the best football I have witnessed in five years without him. Lee is maturing into an effective pocket QB and leader. Why tinker with success? Further, Lee won't benefit from having to peer over his shoulder after every mistake, wondering if JJ is going to replace him. It doesn't breed confidence and poise. JMO.
This post was edited on 9/28/11 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:40 pm to Mayhawman
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It's really not an argument, just a lot of people that don't know X&Os spouting off. Any student of the game knows the advantages of dual threat QBs, read and veer option.
JJ is a disadvantage
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You sound as if you were dissatisfied with our rushing game last year?
In case you're confused, we rushed for over a 1/2ypc more last year(4.53), vs much stiffer Ds than we've faced so far this year(3.98).
You need to go to the MSB with this stat cherry picking.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:47 pm to The312
Obviously if JJ is innocent he should be allowed back on the team. As far as playing we know what he has done for 2+years and what Lee did in limited play last year and as the starter this year.
I dont think anyone is crowning Lee as the Messiah but if you cant see how much an improvement he and the offense is over a JJ led offense then you arent trying to see it. Maybe JJ has improved but do you really want to find out versus Florida,Bama or Arky that he is the same JJ?
As far as redshirting I am against that, in my opinion it wouldnt add anything for next year. As far as transferring if he wanted to I would release him to any school and if it were ole miss and Nutt made it through this year it would surely be his undoing next year so it would benefit LSU in 2 ways!
I dont think anyone is crowning Lee as the Messiah but if you cant see how much an improvement he and the offense is over a JJ led offense then you arent trying to see it. Maybe JJ has improved but do you really want to find out versus Florida,Bama or Arky that he is the same JJ?
As far as redshirting I am against that, in my opinion it wouldnt add anything for next year. As far as transferring if he wanted to I would release him to any school and if it were ole miss and Nutt made it through this year it would surely be his undoing next year so it would benefit LSU in 2 ways!
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:53 pm to skullhawk
quote:How so? We haven't seen him in the new offense. Maybe a glimpse in aTm game with GC handcuffed.
JJ is a disadvantage
quote:Logical answer when you can't provide a retort. I guess ypc is irrelevant to you.
You need to go to the MSB with this stat cherry picking.
Look, I like what Lee is doing, but to not want Jefferson back is kinda dumb and not in the best interest of the team.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 12:55 pm to Mayhawman
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We haven't seen him in the new offense.
The reason it seems we have a "new offense" is because JJ'S NOT PLAYING. If you think him coming back will help our passing game your fricking dumb
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