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re: Has Katz played 3rd in any game at LSU?

Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by LSU FAMILY
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:55 pm to
You, said he is a "liability"!!!
I'm just out to prove he's not a liability, but a damn good fielding 1st baseman despite his size! Never mentioned anything about him playing third or any other position.
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:01 pm to
That was the whole point of the thread. People seemed to be so convinced that he was this super talented and versatile fielder, but, realistically, he plays first base because that's really the only place for him to play. He's done a nice job over there. I'm not trying to crush this kid because he is obviously a great ball player, but just trying to bring some reality to the purple shades of tigerdroppings.

People are so touchy on here and things get blown out of proportion. The logic of comparing a 1st baseman's fielding percentage to a ss or any other infielder is just wrong.
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:04 pm to
At any other position he would be a liability was really my point. I guess that wasnt clear to all, but the thread was about him contributing in other ways other than 1st. He's done well at first. Still just a serviceable option....this kid is a dh at most d1 programs.
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 11:09 pm
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:22 pm to
No, I asked if he had played third because if he did, he is easily the most well rounded infielder we have ever had.
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:26 pm to
I'll take dj lemahieu for the most well rounded. Once again, just because Katz has had to play a lot of positions does not make him the most well rounded player. He's just not good enough to win out a lot of positions.

I'd put Austin Nola at any position before Katz, but since Nola was so good at ss he never had to play any other position. Does that make him less well rounded of a fielder?
Posted by LSU FAMILY
HOUMA
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:27 pm to
Still just a serviceable option....this kid is a dh at most d1 programs.

Lets compare him to other sec 1b

A&M. .989
Fla. .989
USC. .984
Ala. .980
Vandy. .987

Katz. .987

I could go get all the rest of SEC stats but I don't think it would show anything different. Looks dang solid to me. Not just "serviceable" option
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:34 pm to
The difference in these fielding percentages is an error or 2 from top to bottom on the list of 1st basemen. Serviceable because he's not an ideal fit nor was he expected to be a first baseman. He fits there for this season in the best lineup we can put together.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:35 pm to
quote:

He fits there for this season in the best lineup we can put together.


you mean the best defensive lineup in school history?

You still haven't said how he has been a liability

quote:

.this kid is a dh at most d1 programs.


just not at one of the premier programs in the country
This post was edited on 5/28/13 at 11:37 pm
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:38 pm to
quote:

Has Katz played 3rd in any game at LSU?

No
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:44 pm to
Look the two worst defensive players in our lineup are Ralph rhymes and mason Katz. Not all of that shows up on fielding percentage, but is related to range, arm strength. Fielding ability. if you don't believe that or see that is your opinion I guess.

I've already mentioned that the thread was about Katz' versatility, which people are convinced is first class because he has played a ton of positions at lsu. First base is fairly simple guys....catch the ball and a few times in a game, pick it.
Posted by LSU FAMILY
HOUMA
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Posted on 5/28/13 at 11:57 pm to
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He's not an ideal fit


So then I guess all the other 1b are ideal fit. Yes I understand now, they have to be the right size and left handed. Rae at Miss St comes to mind. He surely has the right size, Can barely stretch a double into a single, but he's the right size!
I would love to ask CPM if he thinks Katz if just a "serviceable" 1b.
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:02 am to
Tell me why Katz plays 1st base? At the beginning of the year why is Katz our first baseman?
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:03 am to
quote:

Not all of that shows up on fielding percentage, but is related to range, arm strength. Fielding ability. if you don't believe that or see that is your opinion I guess.


so what is katz lacking as a first baseman?

He's clearly fielding the position extremely well. I don't think his arm strength is a problem at first base, and his range is better than most first baseman.

I'm just failing to see how he has been a liability in any way
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:04 am to
quote:

Tell me why Katz plays 1st base? At the beginning of the year why is Katz our first baseman?



b/c he was the best player on the team for the position

tell me how katz has been a liability?
Posted by LSU FAMILY
HOUMA
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:15 am to
Easy money just won't quit on Katz. Must have spit on his shoe by mistake. Don't see the problem with Katz. Has made more diggs at first than any 1b I can remember in last 10 years. He is playing 1st because he the best 1st baseman we have, not the best ss, not best 3rd, not best OF.
But he's yet to give a valid reason why Katz is a liability

The original post was just a simple question. Has Katz played 3rd base. Easy money went on a rant that he's a liability to the team.
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 12:17 am
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:16 am to
He's not a liability at first. I've already discussed this, but I've stated that he has fielded the position well. But the reason he is there is he is not good enough to be anywhere else. That doesn't really matter for us because we don't have some stud 1b waiting in the wings.

The thread was about his versatility and I just don't see it. He's not good in the outfield where he played his first 2 seasons. He can manage 2nd base. He plays a good first. I'm just saying, why are people drooling over his fielding ability. It is subpar for an infielder. You really think this kid is a first baseman? He is for us and has done a good job. A scout comes along and immediately moves him to 2nd and you know why? Yes, his size. And then it comes down to his fielding ability and range and those other facets of defense. I'm not saying he's not a good first baseman, but he's not so good that he's going to make a future of it.

It just drove me crazy that some on here were talking about him like he is one of the greatest defensive tiger fielders of all with his great versatility and he just really is not.

I guess I'm a bit critical when it comes to baseball because I'm involved in it so much, but I was just trying to be realistic. He's a great hitter. That is what he will be remembered for and that's fine. He's hopefully going to help us win a national championship.
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:26 am to
I stated he's a defensive liability at a top tier program. That would be the scouting report. We witnessed that his first 2 years where we could not find a place to plug him in where he had great success. At most places this kid does not play first. At lsu he has happened to end up at first. He is the best option there, but that was not our intention. He would not play 1st most places because teams would expect more of his athletic ability. We are loaded athletically in the infield and he can dig a ball up. It works well for us. I never stated this year at lsu Katz has been a liability at first base.

I know what this kid has done. I've watched this kid play more than most people on here. I know what he's capable of. I don't dislike him.
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:28 am to
quote:

stated he's a defensive liability at a top tier program


WTF?

So now LSU isn't a top program? Confused
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:32 am to
Read the whole post before you comment.
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 5/29/13 at 12:38 am to
I did dumb arse.! Try saying something of value instead of spewing vomit, your post does not make any damn sense at all. First you say he sucks, then he is a liability then out the blue you dont dislike him again!
This post was edited on 5/29/13 at 12:42 am
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