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Has Canada proved he can develop a young QB at any of his previous stops?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:03 pm
LSU's coaches have a history of ruining young QBs, and that doesn't seem guaranteed to be changing. Etling hasn't progressed at all since coming to LSU, and no one knows if Canada can actually develop a QB because his history seems a lot like Crowton and Cam's with coming into senior QBs.
Canada's QBs:
2011 - Northern Illois - SR
2012 - Wisconsin - Freshman that was mediocre to bad
2013 - NCSU - JR/SR - not very good
2014/2015 - NCSU - JR/SR (transfer) - good, but again an upper classman coached at UF.
2016 - Pitt - SR
2017 - LSU - SR
So in his only year with a freshman, he was mediocre to bad, and just as we saw with Crowton and Cam, they did great with experienced QBs, but couldn't develop a QB of their own.
He gets credit for taking an 8-4 team to a conference championship for some reason although the offensive statistics don't show a great offense.
In the end, we don't know what we are going to get and this hire will be crucial with all young QBs going forward after this year.
Canada's QBs:
2011 - Northern Illois - SR
2012 - Wisconsin - Freshman that was mediocre to bad
2013 - NCSU - JR/SR - not very good
2014/2015 - NCSU - JR/SR (transfer) - good, but again an upper classman coached at UF.
2016 - Pitt - SR
2017 - LSU - SR
So in his only year with a freshman, he was mediocre to bad, and just as we saw with Crowton and Cam, they did great with experienced QBs, but couldn't develop a QB of their own.
He gets credit for taking an 8-4 team to a conference championship for some reason although the offensive statistics don't show a great offense.
In the end, we don't know what we are going to get and this hire will be crucial with all young QBs going forward after this year.
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:07 pm to Geauxgurt
How many times are you going to post this?
Canada pissed in your cheerios?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:11 pm to Gray Tiger
Canada's story is still to be written.
He seems to stay about 1 year at each stop...I hope I am wrong, but that could be a "personality" issue where is not a team player. Time will tell.
He seems to stay about 1 year at each stop...I hope I am wrong, but that could be a "personality" issue where is not a team player. Time will tell.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:16 pm to Geauxgurt
You mean like Curly Hallman developed Brett Farve? Can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Not easy to project the next sure thing at QB. Remember everyone criticizing LSU for not developing Brandon Harris?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:19 pm to Geauxgurt
Canada is an impressive son of a bitch. We ran an incredible plan against Bama. Auburn too.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:20 pm to GeauxTigerNation
Cam Cameron would have ran straight into that front 7.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:25 pm to Geauxgurt
Jacoby Brisset wasn’t developed at Florida
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:26 pm to rbdallas
quote:
Canada
His offense is just fine, but anyone else feel like he was too overhyped? Look back at the off-season threads about him. You’d think he was the best OC at any level.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:31 pm to GeauxTigerNation
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Canada is an impressive son of a bitch. We ran an incredible plan against Bama. Auburn too.
The issue here isn't with his ability to plan out a great offensive scheme, it is with developing QBs, especially young ones. I've yet to see him successfully develop a young QB and be successful with them.
This is very similar to how Crowton looked when he came in. Great strategist, but couldn't develop a young QB to save his life.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:33 pm to Geauxgurt
He is doing a damn good job with Etling. Depending on how sharp Brannan, Narcisse are to pick up what they are being taught willnsay alto about how well he does here. Harris was a special ed moron, and Etling is a legitimate college student, and that is why Harris can't spell "football" at UNC, and Etling is general of LSU's very capable offense.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:36 pm to GeauxTigerNation
quote:
Cam Cameron would have ran straight into that front 7.
What the F are you talking about? He watched film and found the other teams strength and attacked it. Is that not the best way to approach a game plan?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 5:42 pm to Geauxgurt
Canada's 3 yr stint at NC State ended with him being fired.
His one yr stints at WISC and Pitt do not say much about development, more about utilization, adaptation.
What motivated Alleva to triple his salary and give him a 3 yr contract? That made Aranda and Canada the highest paid OC/DC pair in the nation.
His one yr stints at WISC and Pitt do not say much about development, more about utilization, adaptation.
What motivated Alleva to triple his salary and give him a 3 yr contract? That made Aranda and Canada the highest paid OC/DC pair in the nation.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:35 pm to Paul Allen
That’s probably more to do with this fan base yearning for anything involving a downfield attack. That’s not canada’s Fault.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:40 pm to SEC Grapevine
I think there is no question his abilities as a play caller
I think its fair to question how he is in development of QB's, thats where LSU seems to always have a difficult time
I think its fair to question how he is in development of QB's, thats where LSU seems to always have a difficult time
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:43 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:
Geauxgurt
The Mensa is strong in this one.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:50 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:
Geauxgurt
His O had Bama on their heels in a way I haven't seen a Saban coached team's D since he was at LSU and Tubberville brought in an OC that shifted a lot pre-snap to confuse the D. And it worked then too.
As far as developing a QB? Doesn't sound like there is enough history to make a decision.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:51 pm to SEC Grapevine
Do you know why he got fired?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 6:58 pm to GeauxTigerNation
quote:& scored a whopping 10 points
Canada is an impressive son of a bitch. We ran an incredible plan against Bama
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:01 pm to Geauxgurt
Canada is pretty damn good considering the black hole at QB.
I hope he sticks around for a couple more years with Aranda.
Big things could be on the horizon.
I hope he sticks around for a couple more years with Aranda.
Big things could be on the horizon.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 7:12 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:proved... not by a longshot.
Has Canada proved he can develop a young QB at any of his previous stops?
There's some hints he might be able to.
- Brennen looked like he was "dialed in" to the plays when he's played, so he was able to coach that aspect with a freshman
- DE has appeared up to speed on signals all year
- more on the side of playcalling, but QB related due to communication processes: we haven't seen play clocks at 8 and the QB staring at the sideline begging for a play.
- Pitt & Petersen were #15 is passer rating last year. I know, not that meaningful... it's a hint at possible... not proof.
The question in front of us right now, the one we should be asking, has DE plateaued because of lack of QB coaching ability from Canada, or because of his own personal abilities/skills?
We won't know at best until next year, probably 2 yrs from now. But if you can answer that question, you can answer the OP's. Right now, too many unknowns and not enough equations.
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