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re: Hannigrif says Orgeron made Canada makes changes by game 3.

Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:49 pm to
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You don't win by changing with the trends. You either set the trends or do your own thing, which is also setting a trend.


all things evolve and so do offenses...thus change is mot only esential but mandatory.

want to see a company gp out of business ??
continue with THIS IS THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98791 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:49 pm to
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You insinuated it with your snarky Super Bowl question.

I did no such thing. I said that you were claiming that you know the future and that Orgeron would definitely change. I never even remotely insinuated anything about the playing of the actual game at all. As usual you connected invisible dots to try to squirm out of saying something ridiculously dumb. It's a Ree/Buckeye Jeaux staple and a sure fire sign that it's the same person.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:54 pm to
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all things evolve and so do offenses...thus change is mot only esential but mandatory.



Sure, but I'm saying you win by being a trendsetter, not by changing once the rest of the field has already changed. You gain no advantage that way.

You don't have to be the very first to do it but you can't wait until everyone else has already made the change. Look at Saban, he realized years ago that he had to change his offense, and that's when he was already on top for a while.

To win big, something about what you do has to be your own. You can't be a completely derivative program and win.
This post was edited on 6/1/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:54 pm to
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It's a Ree/Buckeye Jeaux staple and a sure fire sign that it's the same person.
You wanna believe I'm Ree... knock yourself out.

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I said that you were claiming that you know the future and that Orgeron would definitely change.
If left to himself, Orgeron probably wouldn't change. But he just watched an "untouchable" HC (Miles) get shitcanned for not changing HIS offense. O's momma didn't raise no fools!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283277 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:58 pm to
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We haven't had a single decent offense under him. He doesn't need to be changing anything. Get good at one thing before you switch it up.


Holy cow...WTF!

That's really nice. If it doesn't work, keep doing it!

Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 12:58 pm to
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If left to himself, Orgeron probably wouldn't change. But he just watched an "untouchable" HC (Miles) get shitcanned for not changing HIS offense. O's momma didn't raise no fools!



Actually agree 100%. He wouldn't change.

He's changing out of fear, out of possibly losing his job. That's the wrong reason to do it.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60017 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:00 pm to
Here’s a simple exercise if LSU hired Fisher in 2016 instead would O have even been interviewed by Florida State? How about Herman came here would he have been next on Texas list

Here’s the thing the so called “positive” poster want is to forget is last off season, up until around this time frankly looked like a disaster. There was the debacle with Canada leading to the “Slinger” being promoted, a geriatric WR coach, a lower ranked recruiting class massive questions at QB, players transferring etc. it was extremely lucky to get Burrow. I don’t say that to diminish it but because it’s true. O and staff deserve massive credit for getting him but they were lucky, lucky a QB that good was available. What if Buckeye was actually right and JB won the job at tOSU does Haskins transfer to LSU? Maybe, the previous staff did recruit him but maybe he prefers to go back east. That’s all done and LSU got Burrow and that’s a credit to the staff. The Brady hire looks good but just a year ago Ree was going on about how awesome the Slinger would be, he molded Eric Zeier at UGA. And Sullivan, well Larry Fitzgerald swears by him so what to message board posters know. Never mind that now we are told the Wr couldn’t catch and Joe Brady will fix all.

There’s reason to optimistic for this season and to the 2020 recruiting class. But to suggest any big school would pounce on O st this point is at best way premature

Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:00 pm to
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That's really nice. If it doesn't work, keep doing it!




Yes?

If it doesn't work, you probably need to gain proficiency at it.

I know you're immediately great at everything you start Shrubs, but for the rest of the world, we have to do things for a while before we get good at it.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98791 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:00 pm to
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If left to himself, Orgeron probably wouldn't change. But he just watched an "untouchable" HC (Miles) get shitcanned for not changing HIS offense. O's momma didn't raise no fools!

Much better. Thank you, sir. I tend to agree. I just hope that he can win enough to stay here long enough for us to find out. If he does, it will be very interesting to see how quickly he would recognize and adapt to this change you speak of.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283277 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:00 pm to
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He's changing out of fear, out of possibly losing his job. That's the wrong reason to do it.


It's amazing at how many things you assume without any real knowledge and take as gospel.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60017 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:02 pm to
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Auburn wouldn't be interested in the HC who came to their house and beat them?


There’s that Ree logic again

It’s totally baffling why Alabama didn’t consider Curley Hallman when Stallings left, he did after all best them in their house
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:02 pm to
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It's amazing at how many things you assume without any real knowledge and take as gospel.



What do you mean? That's my opinion. I didn't say it was gospel.

I know you don't like it when people have opinions that you don't agree with though.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:04 pm to
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He's changing out of fear, out of possibly losing his job. That's the wrong reason to do it.

ANY reason is better than clinging to some dead playbook (like close to most HCs do). They helped write that playbook; they know it inside and out; it worked GREAT 8 years ago!
*"By God we're gonna RUN it!!!"


*HC's famous last words
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98791 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:05 pm to
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it was extremely lucky to get Burrow. I don’t say that to diminish it but because it’s true.

I was about to seriously disagree with you here until the next sentence...
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O and staff deserve massive credit for getting him but they were lucky, lucky a QB that good was available.

This is very true. Lucky that he was available but tremendous job getting the guy on campus.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:06 pm to
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What do you mean? That's my opinion. I didn't say it was gospel.

I know you don't like it when people have opinions that you don't agree with though.


Goldy is very tough on adherence to that rule that all statements must be documented (but he has a personal exemption for himself)
This post was edited on 6/1/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60017 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:08 pm to
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He won 3* Natty's with that OO, Then Va Tech DC Bud Foster figured it out. Meyer waited 2 years too long to change. It cost him his dream job.


Amazing that a life long Ohio State would forget that Meyers 3rd “Natty” and only 1 at Ohio St came in the very season his offense was figured out by Bud Foster and Va Tech. Though Some how Nick Saban didn’t figure it out later that year. Either Saban isn’t as good as Foster or get this maybe any scheme can have a bad game.

But go ahead and continue to pretend you’re not Ree and we can’t figure it out
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:09 pm to
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There’s that Ree logic again



He probably is Ree.

Funny how they're not in the same thread.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283277 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:11 pm to
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If it doesn't work, you probably need to gain proficiency at it.


In the game of football, you are tweaking your offense/defense to fit the personnel you do have. Its what teams have always done. Alabama does it, OU does it, they all do it.

Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Goldy is very tough on adherence to that rule that all statements must be documented (but he has a personal exemption for himself)



Must have me confused with someone else.

I don't chastise people just for having opinions. I just ask that you back them up with facts.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 6/1/19 at 1:12 pm to
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Amazing that a life long Ohio State would forget that Meyers 3rd “Natty” and only 1 at Ohio St came in the very season his offense was figured out by Bud Foster and Va Tech. Though Some how Nick Saban didn’t figure it out later that year. Either Saban isn’t as good as Foster or get this maybe any scheme can have a bad game.

Go back and see I edited that comment about 15 minutes ago [actually almost an hour ago] to note that Cardale ran his own playground offense - Aranda would have crushed the worn out Read/Option in the conference championship game.

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Actually 2. Cardale Jones ran his own flag-football offense for the 3rd Natty.

This post was edited on 6/1/19 at 1:15 pm
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