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re: Hannigrif says Orgeron made Canada makes changes by game 3.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:40 pm to Fat Bastard
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:40 pm to Fat Bastard
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O shoulda let him do his thing
How was the offense different at the end of the season than from the beginning?
tia.
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:48 pm to Le Tenia
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You're all over the place.
I'll attempt to clarify.
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The CEO or HC should have total autonomy over the day-to-day operations to include handling any subordinate, directly or indirectly, to ensure that the product and team goals are being met.
Agree.
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This includes inserting themselves in the "engineering dept." regardless of them being an actual "engineer".
But to what end? Let's look.
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To think that a CEO/HC with over 30 years in the business, and trained under some of the best CEO/HC along the way, would not know all the working parts of the business is foolish and absurd.
Is it? You expect an individual in an organization and industry/sport as large and complex as a University football program to know how to do every positions specific job is lunacy. I don't care how many lives they've lived. There's just not enough time in the day for any one individual to be able to cross train to the level necessary 2 run all the machines and perform all the tasks necessary to make the operation run smoothly.
I believe in micromanaging, to the specific duties that you are assigned.
If you make cabinets, micromanage every detail of your work, tools and processes. That's being a perfectionist. If you're a manager, it's the same. Micromanage every aspect of your specific duties and not beyond. Not the specific duties of others.
That means brain fricking the shite out of hires, brain fricking facilities, brain fricking the budget, all the things that you're assigned to do as part of your job description.
That doesn't mean walking down to the facility floor, kicking the door in on the control room, pushing the nuclear engineers aside and start pulling levers and slapping buttons because you've "been in this industry for 30 years and by God, I know what Im doing to prevent a nuclear meltdown. Step aside Eggheads! I have managerial experience in this industry!"
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:51 pm to Le Tenia
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To think that a CEO/HC with over 30 years in the business, and trained under some of the best CEO/HC along the way, would not know all the working parts of the business is foolish and absurd.
Just because someone spends 30 years in middle management doesn’t mean they’re qualified to become CEO.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Where is Canada right now?
Unemployed last I checked.
Look, the two are not mutually exclusive. He can be an arse, and the HC here probably doesn't manage a wide range of personalities that well.
Based on his comments like "I'm the head coach, we do what I say" it seems apparent to me that it's very important that he's perceived as having absolute power. To be honest, I've never heard Saban have to tell others the obvious. You shouldn't have to tell others you're the HC.
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:55 pm to OweO
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Canada's offense is/was too gimicky for the SEC. All of that shifting.. Jet sweep bullshite.
I hated Canada's offense.
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Not sure why this is such a big deal to you now.
Did you actually read the OP? Claims were made on radio that I hadn't previously heard or if I forgot about them. It's "not a big deal." I simply asked some questions. Maybe try a knitting forum if you don't like it.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:56 pm to OweO
quote:Canada also sold himself as someone who can adapt to any situation / set of personnel. Yet when the defensive line was obliterated and we needed the offense to eat some clock, Canada apparently blew a fuse.
Miles was fired because of the lack of offensive production so when Orgeron was hired, I think he felt like he needed to make a splash with hiring the O coordinator so he went to the hottest name available. That kept the LSU fan base happy through the first 3 games in.. What was that? 2017?
Canada's offense is/was too gimicky for the SEC. All of that shifting.. Jet sweep bullshite.
Not sure why this is such a big deal to you now.
If Canada didn't like what Orgeron wanted, it was his job to offer and convince Orgeron of a better alternative. It seems like Canada didn't do that at all. He just stewed and complained about it.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:56 pm to nola000
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That doesn't mean walking down to the facility floor, kicking the door in on the control room, pushing the nuclear engineers aside and start pulling levers and slapping buttons because you've "been in this industry for 30 years and by God, I know what Im doing to prevent a nuclear meltdown.
I've asked three times, what did Orgeron change on the offense?
Does anyone really know outside of rumors?
Because I don't recall any real difference except the penalties coming down and that could just be experience.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:57 pm to BayouBengals18
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Just because someone spends 30 years in middle management doesn’t mean they’re qualified to become CEO
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've asked three times, what did Orgeron change on the offense?
Does anyone really know outside of rumors?
Well, he admitted what he changed. Go back to the post-Troy comments.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:58 pm to Goldrush25
I love your posts, by the way.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 12:58 pm to Goldrush25
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To be honest, I've never heard Saban have to tell others the obvious. You shouldn't have to tell others you're the HC.
How often are you around Saban?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:01 pm to Goldrush25
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Well, he admitted what he changed. Go back to the post-Troy comments.
What did he change?
The offense in the Troy game wasn't much different than the offense in the BYU game.
I'm just trying to find out what the melt is about.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Saban's been on camera far more often than our HC, and he's had plenty of opportunity to say things like "I'm the head coach, we do what I say" and he's never done it.
As abrasive as he is, we would've heard it by now if that was in his nature to prove his status to everyone. Being seen as the boss is obviously not what drives him.
As abrasive as he is, we would've heard it by now if that was in his nature to prove his status to everyone. Being seen as the boss is obviously not what drives him.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:03 pm to TigerLunatik
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For the sake of discussion let's say what Hannigrif said is accurate. You have no concerns that if things aren't going well in the first half against Texas that Orgeron will goto E and Brady and say "cut out this, this and that" which will in turn make the offense more predictable?
At this point, a year and a half after Canada was fired? No.
Your info on Canada doesn't move the needle at all.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:04 pm to Goldrush25
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and he's never done it.
So what you're saying is that the 99% of the time when Saban is not on camera you are confident he is never saying things like that?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What did he change?
That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of Roger because if he did what Hanny said, that would really concern me going forward. If Orgeron really told Canada to not do anymore motions/shifts, four wide sets or QB runs then how do we know the same thing won't happen with this new offense?
The problem with all of that is that there are too many ifs and I don't even recall anyone ever talking about cutting out the 4 wides and QB runs. Maybe Hanny just let something slip on air that he's never divulged before. I have no idea.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:08 pm to moneyg
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Your info on Canada doesn't move the needle at all.
It isn't my info.Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:10 pm to TigerLunatik
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If Orgeron really told Canada to not do anymore motions/shifts, four wide sets or QB runs
The issue I have with that, is the offense still had presnap motion, four wide sets and QB runs after game three.
This sounds to me kind of like the locker room fight on 1-9-12.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:12 pm to TigerLunatik
v I 1w1b1
Posted on 5/29/19 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You may be right, Rog.
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