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re: Guilbeau's opinion piece digs at Aranda
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:43 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:43 am to Rickdaddy4188
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he was facing far less talented offensive players. there is all of 1 team in the big 10 that recruited at an elite level while he was there
He was playing against average talent with average talent.
Here he's playing elite talent against some elite talent...plus he still plays against some VERY average teams.
I would at LEAST expect top 10 scoring defenses every year...given his salary.
Once against...the guy IS our program centerpiece. But his defenses are not the level I think they can be.
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:44 am to ThePaleHorse
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Not that he did a bad job, but he needs to be held to a standard also
He is being held to a standard. I compare our defense to those that made the CFB playoffs, and we were good enough in terms of defense to make it there. What other standard matters at this point?
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:47 am to SportTiger1
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He was playing against average talent with average talent.
Here he's playing elite talent against some elite talent...plus he still plays against some VERY average teams.
I would at LEAST expect top 10 scoring defenses every year...given his salary.
Once against...the guy IS our program centerpiece. But his defenses are not the level I think they can be.
Cool. I just want a competent offense. It's the reason we fired the last coach. It's what O has promised since day 1. It's what everyone acknowledges needs to be fixed. I'm fine with what Aranda is doing.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:48 am to Goldrush25
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He is being held to a standard. I compare our defense to those that made the CFB playoffs,
I mean that's fine, but when have we ever been an offense like those teams have? Our program is build on ELITE defense. That's why we pay our DC 2.5 times what our OC makes.
Hopefully we have an offense this year that doesn't require that type of defense.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:48 am to SportTiger1
At full strength we were a top 10 scoring defense
without Fehoko, Chaisson, Battle and Fulton we were not.
Ouside the A&M game, we were a top 10 scoring defense. I know the A&M game happened, but when i say its an outlier, it is statistically an outlier by definition.
IF you want to rank who gave up the fewest PPG thats one thing
if you want to discuss the quality of a defense that anotehr story. You should look at our average as something indicative of how we usually performed.
without Fehoko, Chaisson, Battle and Fulton we were not.
Ouside the A&M game, we were a top 10 scoring defense. I know the A&M game happened, but when i say its an outlier, it is statistically an outlier by definition.
IF you want to rank who gave up the fewest PPG thats one thing
if you want to discuss the quality of a defense that anotehr story. You should look at our average as something indicative of how we usually performed.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:49 am to Francisco de Chicora
We've gotten so used to having a trash offense and great defense that LSU fans outright expect our defense to be essentially flawless in order to carry the weak offense. Any slight hiccup by the defense is now seen as inexcusable. It's sad how so many fans' brains have been warped by our offensive ineptitude over the years.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:50 am to Francisco de Chicora
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Cool. I just want a competent offense
No argument here. I was solely discussing defense.
This has been a defense focused program for 20 years.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:52 am to SportTiger1
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Our program is build on ELITE defense. That's why we pay our DC 2.5 times what our OC makes.
Yeah, no. Our OC makes what he makes because he was previously one of our assistants and had not been an OC for God knows how long, and no other program was knocking on his door to be an OC. Our DC is paid as much as he is paid not only for his performance and potential, but also to maintain consistency and to prevent chaos after Miles was fired.
I swear, some of you have no concept of high-level contractual matters.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:54 am to SportTiger1
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This has been a defense focused program for 20 years.
Apparently not. We fired the last coach because of offensive performance. Our current HC has focused (or said he has focused) on improving the offense. We've brought in a new guy to help out our OC. Aranda has been tasked with stabilization and maintenance of an effective defense while this apparent offensive rebuild happens.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:05 pm to ThePaleHorse
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Francisco, I'm an anti - hater thats all.
You keep using this term. Can you please list posters that you consider to be "haters?"
Thanks in advance...
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:16 pm to Goldrush25
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I compare our defense to those that made the CFB playoff
The two that played in the championship game were top ten.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:18 pm to Francisco de Chicora
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Yeah, no. Our OC makes what he makes because he was previously one of our assistants and had not been an OC for God knows how long, and no other program was knocking on his door to be an OC.
Our DC is paid as much as he is paid not only for his performance and potential, but also to maintain consistency and to prevent chaos after Miles was fired.
I swear, some of you have no concept of high-level contractual matters.
What the hell are you talking about? That's precisely what I'm saying.
The program is defined as a defensive program. Which is why we hired the BEST DC we could find(even under miles), and an OC that was practically a nobody nationally. I understand contracts just fine.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The two that played in the championship game were top ten.
Let's get to the playoffs before we worry about winning it.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:19 pm to lsu2006
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We've gotten so used to having a trash offense and great defense that LSU fans outright expect our defense to be essentially flawless in order to carry the weak offense. Any slight hiccup by the defense is now seen as inexcusable. It's sad how so many fans' brains have been warped by our offensive ineptitude over the years.
I guess I'm just not seeing any real point to this argument (since Aranda is the highest paid DC in the country anything less than the #1 defense is him under-performing) as anything other than a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the offensive side of the ball the last several years.
I mean...yes, I guess if you pay a guy the most, you can argue you ought to have the very best results. And?
But...what does it mean really? What is the goal at LSU? Is it to get the best bang from our buck in regards to our coaching salaries...or is it to win enough games to win hardware? For me, I kind of think it's the later, right?
If that's true...why are we worrying about the one side of the ball that HAS BEEN hardware level good for the entirety of that coach's tenure at LSU? Would our time and energy not be better spent (and money since that seems to be the argument being used here) on radically upgrading the offense?
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:21 pm to Francisco de Chicora
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Our current HC has focused (or said he has focused) on improving the offense. We've brought in a new guy to help out our OC.
With all do respect to Brady, the fact that we hired a low level asst from the saints proves that we are not financially invested in being a top level offensive program. It was a reach...but hey it might work
IF we were, we would've ditched SE, and hired a very proven OC.
We are simply trying to be a good offense...and HOPING that Brady can make us that.
And if that's the case, you still better have a damn good defense if you want to make the playoffs
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:22 pm to SportTiger1
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What the hell are you talking about? That's precisely what I'm saying.
You ask what I'm talking about and then assert that you agree with what I'm saying?
Someone's confused here, chief, and it ain't me. quote:
I understand contracts just fine.
Apparently not. You and your pale horse buddy seem to think that total coordinator compensation is based solely on (or should be based solely on) statistical performance of the coordinator's unit. That's silly.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:23 pm to ThePaleHorse
Its at best junk food for thought.
The defense was a top 10 defense outside 1 game last year.
the DL has been very week the last 2 yeas. We have had 1 DL drafted since Aranda arrived. That not just a scheme issue that is an absolute talent issue, because there are NFL teams out there that value guys who eat blocks. They may not be top 10 picks but they get drafted.
Alabama has had 6 drafted in that time 2 in the first round
Clemson had 3 drafted in the first round last year
Mississippi State had 2 drafted in the first round last year.
We have games were we aren't even 2 deep. We have played games were we've ended up with 3 total DL.
The defense was a top 10 defense outside 1 game last year.
the DL has been very week the last 2 yeas. We have had 1 DL drafted since Aranda arrived. That not just a scheme issue that is an absolute talent issue, because there are NFL teams out there that value guys who eat blocks. They may not be top 10 picks but they get drafted.
Alabama has had 6 drafted in that time 2 in the first round
Clemson had 3 drafted in the first round last year
Mississippi State had 2 drafted in the first round last year.
We have games were we aren't even 2 deep. We have played games were we've ended up with 3 total DL.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:23 pm to SportTiger1
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With all do respect to Brady, the fact that we hired a low level asst from the saints proves that we are not financially invested in being a top level offensive program. It was a reach...but hey it might work
IF we were, we would've ditched SE, and hired a very proven OC.
We are simply trying to be a good offense...and HOPING that Brady can make us that.
Oh, believe me, I know what the current regime is doing (or more precisely is not doing) in respect of the offense.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:23 pm to Goldrush25
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Let's get to the playoffs before we worry about winning it.
We are in a defensive league, the SEC.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:25 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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if Aranda has "underachieved," how does one characterize the performance of the offensive coordinators?
don’t you know?
anything better than dead last is an absolutely amazing offensive coaching performance.
anything worse than the ‘84 Bears defense is simply unacceptable and the reason for LSU not being undefeated.
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