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re: Guilbeau's opinion piece digs at Aranda
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:04 am to ThePaleHorse
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:04 am to ThePaleHorse
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So, if you hold E to that standard, then why not the highest paid assistant in the nation?
because the offense has been hot garbage his entire tenure and we have won on the backs of the defense the last 2 years. had a 7 ot outlier not happened( where the defense had to score just to tie the game and then they handed the offense the game on a silver platter) there would be zero justification for saying Aranda hasnt lived up to his salary.
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:06 am to Francisco de Chicora
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So, you expect the best DC. Do you expect the best HC too?
If we pay the HC the most in the nation, yes I would. Just like Clemson, Bama and Ohio St keep doing year after year. Yes, I would.
Remind you that Aranda is the highest paid assistant, not just defensive assistant...but the highest paid assistant. It doesnt matter why he is paid that much, it only matters that he performs like it. Why you dont want to hold him to that standard is confusing. But you want that from the 800K straw man. ( and I'm not insulting E, just going by your words. )
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:06 am to TrueTigerTale
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How has Aranda underachieved when teams where he coached, Wisconsin and LSU both lacked passing offenses. Surely that hindered him forcing his players to often stay on the field.
That's the thing though, he had way less talent at Wisky, but better Defenses....statistically speaking.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:09 am to SportTiger1
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hat's the thing though, he had way less talent at Wisky, but better Defenses....statistically speaking.
he was facing far less talented offensive players. there is all of 1 team in the big 10 that recruited at an elite level while he was there.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:11 am to Rickdaddy4188
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we gave 6 second half points.
the offense gave up as many points as the defense in the 2nd half and you blame the defense?
the offense threw back to back ints in the 2nd half and you blame the defense?
the defense started the 2nd half with a takeaway and you blame the defense?
the offense gave the ball away 3 times and you blame the defense?
the defense took the ball away once and you blame the defense?
wow.
Certain people have decided that Aranda's defenses have to play utterly flawless football or else he has failed and is overpaid. Oh well
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:12 am to Rickdaddy4188
Rick, I've watched the games. I get that. But this is about being paid as the best and other defenses being better. If he was the third highest paid , and he had the 26th best defense, then the argument gets muddied. but Highest paid should be the best. That the whole point of the article. Wasnt an indictment, just food for thought.
But I know that this is more about O-hate than anything else.
I get it. Good post Rick. Solid, and I dont totally disagree with you, I love Aranda. But I agree with the article.
But I know that this is more about O-hate than anything else.
I get it. Good post Rick. Solid, and I dont totally disagree with you, I love Aranda. But I agree with the article.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The Louisville game in 2016 was his pinnacle. Attacking, high pressure.
We've had our moments here and there, but I think you are right. I liked that defense. Georgia game last year was awesome also. But wasnt consistent all year.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:16 am to ThePaleHorse
The coach is only part of the equation for success.
(forget for a second that he is being paid 2.5 million not because he is the best but because he is the best we could realistically get and we desperately needed him)
The talent wasn't there last year to have a #1 defense.
especially when Fehoko Chaisson and Fulton went down (which is when we gave up 74 points in a game)
(forget for a second that he is being paid 2.5 million not because he is the best but because he is the best we could realistically get and we desperately needed him)
The talent wasn't there last year to have a #1 defense.
especially when Fehoko Chaisson and Fulton went down (which is when we gave up 74 points in a game)
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:17 am to ThePaleHorse
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But I know that this is more about O-hate than anything else.
There it is!
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:18 am to ThePaleHorse
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But you want that from the 800K straw man. ( and I'm not insulting E, just going by your words. )
You're not going by my words, compadre. I'd settle for competent offensive performance.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:21 am to Todd O'Connor
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The coach is only part of the equation for success.
Absolutely. And I get that. I'm not as much blasting Aranda (cuz I'm not) , as much as debating with the O-haters skewing the conversation.
I think this lights a fire with Aranda, not to mention our defensive personnel will be primed for hopefully a top 5 defense. We'll see.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:24 am to lsu2006
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There it is!
I'm not an O-apologist. I just despise a hater.
And guess what, it showed its face. Because the conversation never makes sense. Makes for weak conversation. Talk intelligently and who knows I may agree with you.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:26 am to ThePaleHorse
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I'm not an O-apologist.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:28 am to ThePaleHorse
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So, if you hold E to that standard, then why not the highest paid assistant in the nation?
Look, Aranda is great, and I suspect he will right the ship, but with that salary, I expect the best. My opinion.
Just because you've come back to this faulty premise over and over it doesn't make it a logical one.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:31 am to Francisco de Chicora
Francisco, I'm an anti - hater thats all. I expect O to perform at the highest level if he is going to coach at LSU, but when people,yourself included, allude to ridiculous statements , I get embarrassed for you. Was your post necessary?
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:33 am to ThePaleHorse
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Talk intelligently and who knows I may agree with you.
I've made several posts in this thread showing my stance.
One of them was that advanced statistical measures such as S&P show that LSU has had a top-10 defense all 3 years under Aranda's watch. I've also expressed that it is absurd to place the UF loss at Aranda's feet when the defense allowed six (6) points in the 2nd half and the offense was atrocious the whole game. Lastly, really no matter how you slice it, through the ups and downs of the last 3 seasons, Aranda's defenses in my opinion have been the consistent, steadying force in the program that has kept the train on the tracks in terms of on-field performance.
I'm not sure why or how you're somehow turning this into a "defend O" thread or lamenting all of the "O haters" in here, but I guess that's par for the course.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:34 am to Francisco de Chicora
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You're not going by my words, compadre
Yes, you called him a straw man.
But I cant stand someone who argues like a child.
I wont respond to you anymore. You sound liberal. Like
talking to a baboons azz. Enjoy the season Fran.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:35 am to ThePaleHorse
How did I "allude to ridiculous statements"?
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:39 am to lsu2006
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I've made several posts in this thread showing my stance.
Ok, ok, calm down. Maybe you arent in that group, and I apologyze. But others are vehemently defending Aranda, for deserved criticism. Not that he did a bad job, but he needs to be held to a standard also, and I dont understand why some wont. But some on here are just trying to turn this into something other than Aranda money versus defensive ranking. Anyway, I apologyze for grouping you in that dreadful group. My bad.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:42 am to ThePaleHorse
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But others are vehemently defending Aranda, for deserved criticism.
Rightfully so. Calling the criticism deserved doesn't make it so.
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but he needs to be held to a standard also, and I dont understand why some wont
He absolutely is being held to "a standard". We have people pointing to his defense giving up 6 points in the 2nd half to UF as being a failure and the primary reason we lost. He's had outstanding defenses all 3 seasons here. He's done a great job by any standard.
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