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re: Guilbeau's opinion piece digs at Aranda
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
We are in a defensive league, the SEC.
not anymore
Alabama changed that when they started pumping out top 15 offenses to go along with their top 5 defense
you have to do both.
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:29 pm to Todd O'Connor
quote:
not anymore
Sure we are. There were three SEC teams in the top ten scoring defense. 5 in the top 20. All allowed less than 20ppg
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:34 pm to Francisco de Chicora
quote:
believe me, I know what the current regime is doing (or more precisely is not doing) in respect of the offense.
Then perhaps im overcomplicating my point.
Aranda was one of the highest paid DCs even before we overpaid him for "stability".
So...
Super high paid DC + low paid nobody OC = you better have a damn good defense if you want to win at an elite level.
That's my point...not sure how anyone could disagree
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:35 pm to Goldrush25
quote:
Let's get to the playoffs before we worry about winning it.
Dirty little secret: We were a CFP-caliber team last year. We were as good as OU and ND.
A lot of these teams make it because they don't play in the SEC West and they happen to be pretty good.
2018 Team Efficiencies
Okla Offense (1st), Defense (92nd)
ND Offense (19th), Defense (11th)
LSU Offense (29th), Defense (10th)
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:36 pm to Francisco de Chicora
quote:
You ask what I'm talking about and then assert that you agree with what I'm saying? Someone's confused here, chief, and it ain't me
You were claiming to disagree with my point by saying the exact same thing.
I'm not even sure what we're arguing at this point
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
we also had 6 team in the top 30 in scoring and our conference champ was the #3 offense in the country.
the #2 defense finished a lot farther back in the SEC than the #3 offense.
and like i said, you have to have both.
Alabama #3 offense #12 defense (both were top 3 before the NGC)
UGA #14 offense #14 Defense
Look at the Clemson
#4 Offense #1 defense
If we want to compete we can't be a 65th scoring offense 90% of the time.
the #2 defense finished a lot farther back in the SEC than the #3 offense.
and like i said, you have to have both.
Alabama #3 offense #12 defense (both were top 3 before the NGC)
UGA #14 offense #14 Defense
Look at the Clemson
#4 Offense #1 defense
If we want to compete we can't be a 65th scoring offense 90% of the time.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:40 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:
2018 Team Efficiencies
Okla Offense (1st), Defense (92nd)
ND Offense (19th), Defense (11th)
LSU Offense (29th), Defense (10th)
We were 38th in scoring and 69th in yards...not sure that efficiency matters. Points matter
26th in points allowed. That ain't gonna cut it...obviously
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:46 pm to SportTiger1
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We were 38th in scoring and 69th in yards...not sure that efficiency matters. Points matter
26th in points allowed. That ain't gonna cut it...obviously
I hear ya, but I prefer the efficiency rating. Check out the definition:
quote:
Team efficiencies are based on the point contributions of each unit to the team's scoring margin, on a per-play basis. The values are adjusted for strength of schedule and down-weighted for "garbage time" (based on win probability). The scale goes from 0 to 100; higher numbers are better and the average is roughly 50 for all categories. Efficiencies update daily during the season.
LINK
Posted on 8/27/19 at 1:07 pm to SportTiger1
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Super high paid DC + low paid nobody OC = you better have a damn good defense if you want to win at an elite level.
That's my point...not sure how anyone could disagree
Not sure anyone is...I think many are wondering why that seems to be Aranda's fault rather than LSU's?
If what you're saying is that due to the total lack of investment on the offensive side of the ball, Aranda's D has to be lights out game in and game out to make up for it...shouldn't the focus be more on WHY LSU, especially beginning Year 3 of a regime that was hired because the old regime had failed to update the offense, is still not spending the necessary money on coaching salaries to make it possible to win at an elite level without an NFL level D?
I think everyone understands the calculus here. The question is, why are we continually relying so heavily on just one side of the ball? If someone is going to point the finger at the D as the problem, it stands to reason that people would first want to see improvement in the weakest area before demanding improvement in the strongest...even if you happen to think there was still room for improvement there.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 1:10 pm to SportTiger1
quote:
Super high paid DC + low paid nobody OC = you better have a damn good defense if you want to win at an elite level.
That's my point...not sure how anyone could disagree
E isn't that low paid.
He is a top 40 assistant. Clemson's co-oc's each only
made 50K more last year.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:30 pm to lsu2006
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He absolutely is being held to "a standard"
Yes by people like myself. My question is why dont you hold him to that standard which he is paid. Highest paid.
anyway, I'm not trying to bash him but the criticism is deserved. you are just picking details that you want.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Not sure anyone is...I think many are wondering why that seems to be Aranda's fault rather than LSU's?
Right. I'm wondering why we don't just elevate the OC position to the level of the DC. Can anyone tell me why we haven't done this thus far? A great offense will ensure that we're getting the most from our defense.
The coach said we were going to go out and get the best OC. Write the check and go get the best. They wrote the check for Aranda so why not write the check and get an OC? Seems simple. They didn't even try.
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:34 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
think many are wondering why that seems to be Aranda's fault rather than LSU's?
It's not
But pay definitely matters.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:36 pm to LSUDVM1999
Technically, Will Muschamp and Bo Pelini had better national rankings
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:45 pm to Goldrush25
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He is being held to a standard. I compare our defense to those that made the CFB playoffs
No you dont hold our defense to that standard, because our def wasnt close to Clemson's or Bama's last year. Clemson may have had the best defense in the history of college football last year. WOW.
I do agree that our offense was not good enough for playoffs, but our defense wasnt either.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:16 pm to ThePaleHorse
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I do agree that our offense was not good enough for playoffs, but our defense wasnt either.
Which was better?
Right, the defense...and markedly better, whether or not we want to conclude that Aranda's d warranted his highest paid salary.
So...why even bother focusing on the best aspect of the program as an issue (unless you're in the accounting department at LSU and you're concerned about the disparity) until you've REALLY focused on the weakest part? The part that has been bringing the program down for a while, and was what got the last coach fired?
I feel like I'm being treated like an infant and having keys jingled at me in an attempt to distract form the real issue at hand...
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:18 pm to ThePaleHorse
Clemson also had 3 DL go in the first 17 picks and their 4th guy got drafted in the 4th round.
WE have had 1 DL get drafted in the last 3 years.
Compare our DL the last 2 years to 2003, 2007 and 2011 and its not close.
And I still think anyone pretening we were the 26th best defense in the country is intellectually dishonest. The A&M game was bad. NO doubt but were were pretty beat the up. OUtside that were were one of the best defenses in the country.
WE have had 1 DL get drafted in the last 3 years.
Compare our DL the last 2 years to 2003, 2007 and 2011 and its not close.
And I still think anyone pretening we were the 26th best defense in the country is intellectually dishonest. The A&M game was bad. NO doubt but were were pretty beat the up. OUtside that were were one of the best defenses in the country.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:45 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Which was better?
Of course the Defense the past 3 years has been better. And yes, thats the most money in the history of college football to pay an assistant. So yes thats the whole point.
Its not about comparing Off vs Def, which is why I kept saying, this conversation has nothing to do with the Off. We all know where the Offense stands.
We focus on the defense because Aranda doesnt get a free ride either just because he was labeled the best 3 years ago.
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I feel like I'm being treated like an infant and having keys jingled at me in an attempt to distract form the real issue at hand
What kind of conspiracy theorist stuff is this. Why would anyone do this? Why would it be so important for me to distract you? Its just a simple article about Aranda stepping up his game. Even Aranda knows this. Its alot of money, dude.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:53 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Nevermind guys, let the coaches correct the offense, and we will just not worry about the defense or the insane amount being paid.
I mean as if they are not trying to correct the offense already, and why at the same time can they not correct defensive issues? I dont understand this. Its a football team you work on all aspects.
I mean as if they are not trying to correct the offense already, and why at the same time can they not correct defensive issues? I dont understand this. Its a football team you work on all aspects.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:54 pm to ThePaleHorse
Why are you consumed with how much Aranda's getting paid?
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