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re: Guilbeau says LSU assistants wanted to pass more at Bama
Posted on 7/19/16 at 10:37 pm to 24chevrolet48
Posted on 7/19/16 at 10:37 pm to 24chevrolet48
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be he has underachieved
How has he underachieved when he has the most successful tenure ever at a top 10 alltime program. His tenure is the best in lsu history and if the best tenure in lsu history is underachieving then lsu has never had a coach that hasnt underachieved.
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On this comment , Your saying you rather have Miles than Saban ? Whats your point ?? Kinda silly point really.
No its not. People on here are shitting on Miles' last 5 years while worshipping Saban's tenure at lsu. Our last 5 years under miles have a better win loss record. Its only silly if you dont understand the point.
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PAY as well, and I Can say whatever I chose to say!! Dam right it's my opinion
I never said you shouldnt voice your opinion. But when you do voice it i will post FACTS that prove your OPINION is misguided.
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I feel the Facts prove THIS -- a Solid coaching job against Poor, Average, and Really Good teams, But Not so well against Very Good, Great and Elite teams as of late. Thats what the FACTS Say.
Holy shite. Thats the exact opposite of what the facts say. SINCE HIS HIRE, NO PROGRAM HAS BEATEN MORE RANKED TEAMS THAN LSU. thats a fact. Your opinion that he doesnt do well against good, great and elite teams is just flat out wrong. Your opinion that he doesnt do well against good teams DOES NOT outweigh FACTS that prove he has done very well against ranked teams.
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Miles has beaten top 20 teams 42 times, top 10 teams 16 times, and NC coaches 16 times
So yeah, your opinion that lsu struggles against good competition is just wrong.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 10:51 pm
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:31 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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quote:we'll see more spread principles incorporated into our offense over time as we already were doing a lot of that in 2015. (quote): (quote) no we didnt. Literally the only spread principal we used was the zone read. quote:
Ole Rick, you just lost all credibility with me on that one. I don't even know why I am disgussing football with you. Not only do you think the I formation is the same as the offset I, but you apparently think that the only spread principal is the zone read.
the very article you linked says we were in the 11 personel grouping 46 % of offense plays primarily out of the shotgun last season. (i.e. one back in the backfield with one TE and 3 WR's.) The primary objective of the spread is to get players in space, create mismatches, and to spread the field, usually (but not necessarily) out of the shotgun and generally with 1 or less backs in the backfield. You don't think we were trying to spread the field and get players in space if 46% of the plays we ran we were in a 3wr set with the QB in the shotgun?
The spread isn't a particular play or formation, it isn't a particular WR route tree, or a terminology, it is a philosophy. It is a concept.
The polar opposite might be considered lining up in a two TE I formation where we don't even care if the defense is stacking the box. We are just going to run at them and try to overpower them and dare them to stop us.
You can run a pro style offense that incorporates spread principles. Most, if not all, pro teams do. Spread ideas or concepts are nothing new. Plus there are wide variety of offenses that could be considered spread. Wikipedia has an interesting article on spread offenses, you might start there.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Wow , I think others have the right to have opinions as well huh rick ?
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:24 am to 24chevrolet48
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be he has underachieved. No doubt in my mind.
But your mind is that of a retard if you think the most successful coach in LSU history and one having a top 5 coaching record for the last eleven has underachieved. Do you need help finding your way home?
Using your mind, Saban underachieved too.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 12:49 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 12:52 am to lurkr
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Miles changed the game plan on Thursday before the Bama game. They practiced a balanced attack for two weeks before that. The plane ride home was very interesting and informative from what I've been told.
I could see this being a possibility.
Who knows though.
Any ways, as I pointed out.. Harris did make some good throws in this game.. and I hope he continues to progress and gains the trust from Miles.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 12:54 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 5:53 am to boxcar willie
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Ole Rick, you just lost all credibility with me on that on[/quote
I dont care. You dont know what a a offset i formation is.
[quote]the very article you linked says we were in the 11 personel grouping 46 % of offense plays primarily out of the shotgun last season. (i.e. one back in the backfield with one TE and 3 WR's.) The primary objective of the spread is to get players in space, create mismatches, and to spread the field, usually (but not necessarily) out of the shotgun and generally with 1 or less backs in the backfield. You don't think we were trying to spread the field and get players in space if 46% of the plays we ran we were in a 3wr set with the QB in the shotgun?
Holy shite. Im done. You think because we ran shotgun that we ran the spread? My god .
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The polar opposite might be considered lining up in a two TE I formation where we don't even care if the defense is stacking the box. We are just going to run at them and try to overpower them and dare them to stop us.
Wait you just said the spread isnt a formation so miles can use the i formation and still be running the spread offense as long as he is trying to get people in space.
You know, since its a concept and all.
Also as there isnt something called a spread route tree, most spread teams dont use the full prostyle route tree. Like the deep comeback route
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 6:12 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 5:56 am to TigerDean
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Wow , I think others have the right to have opinions as well huh rick
Yes you can have an opinion but when your opinion is easily proven wrong by FACTS, dont act like its my fault for pointing it out.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 5:59 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 7:14 am to Rickdaddy4188
hey dummie, 3wr with QB in shotgun, spreading the field , is a spread concept. If you read up on NFL offenses you would see that the line is bluring between pure spread offenses and pro style as almost all NFL teams incorporate a lot of spread principles into their offenses these days. Of course LSU doesn't run a spread offense, but they do incorporate spread principles. . Look at what Alabama is doing on offense these days or Florida St. for examples of the direction LSU is moving in.
of course I wouldn't expect someone who thinks the I and offset I are the same formation or that all spread teams are zone read to know that.
of course I wouldn't expect someone who thinks the I and offset I are the same formation or that all spread teams are zone read to know that.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 7:17 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:34 am to boxcar willie
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hey dummie,
Says the dumbass that didnt know their was an offset i formation.
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3wr with QB in shotgun, spreading the field , is a spread concept
You have no fricking clue what your talking about.
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pro style as almost all NFL teams incorporate a lot of spread principles into their offenses these days.
bullshite. They incorporate SOME. If all these pro teams have all this spread in their offense then why arent all these spread qbs being successful in the nfl?
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Look at what Alabama is doing on offense these days or Florida St. for examples of the direction LSU is moving in.
LSU FINISHED RANKED HIGHER IN OFFENSIVE YARDS PER GAME AND OFFENSIVE POINTS PER GAME THAN BOTH BAMA AND FSU. and you dont know what youre talking about if you think bama and fsu run more spread than pro style. But hey im talking to a guy that said there is no such thing an offset i formation.
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of course I wouldn't expect someone who thinks the I and offset I are the same formation
Ha ha. Youre the one that didnt know there was an offset i formation. Not me. I neveronce said the i formation and the offset i formation was the same
formation. YOU said there was no such thing as the offset i formation
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that all spread teams are zone read to know that.
Every single spread team runs a zone read play dumbass. Of course there are different kinds of spread. Smash mouth spread and prostyle spread.
Youve proven you dont know shite about cfb. You repeatedly saying the wrong shite doesnt make it so.
You really said that any formation can be spread as long as youre trying to get players into space. Your knowldge of the spread and pro style offense is minimal at best.
You clearly dont know that you can run a spread i formation and that the spread concept at its core boils down to the size of the players you have in the H and Y positions.
You didnt even know that true spread teams dont use the entire prostyle passing tree and yet you call me a dummy?
You didnt know that there is an offset i formation.
You didnt know that spread teams dont use the entire prostyle passing tree.
You honestly believe a 3wr shotgun set is a spread concept.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 8:53 am
Posted on 7/20/16 at 8:56 am to beauchristopher
quote:Miles and staff would've built the original gameplan with more pass than run plays? Not very likely.
I could see this being a possibility.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Spread, I-Formation, or Pro-Set , whatever les picks .... Good ole Les better Step up his Game Plans this year. The old Vanilla offense he has ran over the last few years isn't going to cut it!! And thats a FACT!!!
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:29 pm to MirrOlure
Big
that "VANILLA" offense was 4th in the sec in offensive yards per game and 3rd in offensive points per game.we were 11th in the entire country in success once the ball was snapped.11th in offensive yards per play.
I think you need a refresher course on what is a fact and what is an opinion because the statement,"The old Vanilla offense he has ran over the last few years isn't going to cut it!!",is in no way a fact. Its your opinion.
Also, if you watched lsu play last year and thought our offense was worse than our defense, you dont understand what your seeing.
ETA: i just saw your edit. We have never run a proset formation under miles.
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old Vanilla offense he has ran over the last few years isn't going to cut it!
that "VANILLA" offense was 4th in the sec in offensive yards per game and 3rd in offensive points per game.we were 11th in the entire country in success once the ball was snapped.11th in offensive yards per play.
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And thats a FACT!
I think you need a refresher course on what is a fact and what is an opinion because the statement,"The old Vanilla offense he has ran over the last few years isn't going to cut it!!",is in no way a fact. Its your opinion.
Also, if you watched lsu play last year and thought our offense was worse than our defense, you dont understand what your seeing.
ETA: i just saw your edit. We have never run a proset formation under miles.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:32 pm to StatMaster
Well, I'd have preferred to score more
That's just me
That's just me
Posted on 7/20/16 at 1:39 pm to MirrOlure
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MirrOlure
While i have your attention id like to gmask you a few questions that ive always wondered about pertaining to poster such as yourself.
1. As a LSU fan why does posting FACTS that paint a lsu coach in a positive light "get old"?
2. Ive seen you post that Miles is underachieved at lsu and id like you to explain to me how the best coaching tenure in lsu history can be perceived as underachieving.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
link
here's an article on CBS sports called 'product of the system; why the NFL is already becoming a spread offense league'
it's a pretty good article and you can see a lot of parallels to what LSU is doing more of like using the fullback less, lining up in the shotgun, 3wr sets, etc.
here's an article on CBS sports called 'product of the system; why the NFL is already becoming a spread offense league'
it's a pretty good article and you can see a lot of parallels to what LSU is doing more of like using the fullback less, lining up in the shotgun, 3wr sets, etc.
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:21 pm to boxcar willie
The fact that that article thinks 3wr set and shotgun sets are spread concepts proves the writer of the also doesn't understand whats constitutes a spread concept. Just because you dont use a fb DOESNT MEAN youre running a spread offense. No matter
how many times you say it. There was a shotgun formation and a 3 wr set decades before the word spread was used in football.
I still would like to know why lsu should immulate all these offenses that were less productive last year.
If our offense shoudl immulate Ohio State, FSU and Bama shouldnt those offenses have put up better yardage and scored more offensive points than our archaic and predictable offense?
We shouldnt be personally attacking each other. I know im guilting at times. Youre a decent poster and usually have thought out posts. I apologize for making it personal at times brother. We both want the same thing. For lsu to play to its potential in every game.
I do agree it would help our offense to incorporate more spread elements but our most successful run formation is oit of the i formation. Im not in favor of leaving our best lead blocker(moore) off the field or moving him out of the front of LF just so we can say we run more spread concepts
how many times you say it. There was a shotgun formation and a 3 wr set decades before the word spread was used in football.
I still would like to know why lsu should immulate all these offenses that were less productive last year.
If our offense shoudl immulate Ohio State, FSU and Bama shouldnt those offenses have put up better yardage and scored more offensive points than our archaic and predictable offense?
We shouldnt be personally attacking each other. I know im guilting at times. Youre a decent poster and usually have thought out posts. I apologize for making it personal at times brother. We both want the same thing. For lsu to play to its potential in every game.
I do agree it would help our offense to incorporate more spread elements but our most successful run formation is oit of the i formation. Im not in favor of leaving our best lead blocker(moore) off the field or moving him out of the front of LF just so we can say we run more spread concepts
This post was edited on 7/20/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:33 pm to boxcar willie
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s a pretty good article and you can see a lot of parallels to what LSU is doing more of like using the fullback less, lining up in the shotgun, 3wr sets, etc.
This doesnt mean its a spread concept. OC's were running these formations decades before the word spread was used in football. Just because you dont use a fullback in a formation doesnt mean youre running a spread concept and not a prostyle concept.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Spread is more about spacing than formation. There are spread offenses that rarely throw.
doesn't understand whats constitutes a spread concept.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I have asked before and you refuse to post lsu's SEC offensive stats cause you know it will prove yourself wrong.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 2:51 pm to Mayhawman
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read is more about spacing than formation. There are spread offenses that rarely throw.
At its core youre running a spread offense by the size of the player youre playing at the H and Y positions.
Thats what i read Bill Snyder and Rich Rod said.
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