re: Guilbeau says LSU assistants wanted to pass more at Bama

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We could have easily lose to Ole Miss, Miss. st (once) and Florida (twice) during that stretch.

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And how many games could he have easily "win" over that stretch

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And how many games could he have easily "win" over that stretch

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Exaclty. He doesnt count the 2 bama games we were leading in the last minute as couldve won.
You cant have a serious discussion with posters that say throw a coach's record out the window.
Im on record as saying if Miles doesnt win the west or have just 1 loss in 2016 its probably time for a change but that doesn't mean that I have to shite all over our last 4 years. The last 4 years where we are 2nd i the sec in wins.

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Second, as if it gives his opinion some immunity from ridicule.

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Yes our offense struggles some years but no moreso than 95% of other programs.they just dont pay attention to other programs like they do lsu.
If he was watching lsu with an unbiased eye he would've seen that in 2015 our defense was a far bigger issue than our offense and we were passing efficiency away from being elite on offense.

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we attempt to do the same with a fullback and two TEs on the field.

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OMG, I'm going bat shite crazy here! We do not line up with a fullback and two tight ends a majority, or even a plurality, of times. I don't know the actual numbers, but I would bet we line up that way less than 15% of the time.

I'd also bet that we line up with four wide receivers about as often as we line up with two TEs and a FB.

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Don't give me that lame talk about his record. SEC 2012 - 6-2 2013 - 5-3 2014 - 4-4 2015 - 5-3

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That record you highlighted isn't bettered by any SECW team but for Bama. I don't see how any rational SEC football fan can see the 2nd best west record the last 4 yrs as "lame". Not what we want, but certainly not "lame"

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I guess you love our lame and ancient offense

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There were only 3 teams in the SEC that averaged more yds per game than LSU and LSU did that with a true So QB in our system 1 yr. How you get "lame" out of that is beyond me.

We need a more efficient passing game and a better D line. We get that and we should be fine. imo

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OMG, I'm going bat shite crazy here! We do not line up with a fullback and two tight ends a majority, or even a plurality, of times. I don't know the actual numbers, but I would bet we line up that way less than 15% of the time.

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Its maddening.
Its amazing how many people can watch a lsu game and believe that shite.
this is an article proving that 3wr set was our most used formation all year and it was our leading set in 10 games last year.

Here is a qoute from the article talking about what we deal with on this site

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Because the same old narratives and biases that fans and the media keep repeating are every bit as silly and stubborn as the beliefs they ascribe to Miles. It's just repeating the same thing over and over again, kind of like how people think LSU is just running an I-formation dive over and over again.

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Ill stop being a broken record when posters stop posting the same tired and bullshite myths.

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tRant is inhabited by flocks of sheep, parrots and mynah birds.

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Like the poster earlier that said 85% is too much but 75% of the time he could guess correctly. Its amazing how all these posters on here are better than every SEC dc in calling out run pass scenarios.

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You don't need to guess, just need to read statistics, if it's first or second down LSU will run the ball 70% of the time, even if the opponent is stacking the line against the run. Makes it easy on d coordinator to know what s coming.

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But the real kicker is when you see posters say how we dont run a bunch of various plays and we should switch to more of a spread offense as if spread offenses dont run far fewer variations than we do.

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but that one play has many variations to it and is hard to defend because you never know exactly what they are going to do.

It's not about the number of plays or formations you run but how effective you are in making the defense defend the whole field by spreading them out and creating space for your playmakers on offense to make plays.

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we should switch to more of a spread offense

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we'll see more spread principles incorporated into our offense over time as we already were doing a lot of that in 2015.

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You also have posters sayong we run nothing but 2 wr pass plays and then an artocle comes out proving it to be utter bull shite and they still say this.

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there were occasions in the past couple years that on 3rd and 8 or 10, we lined up in a I form, with 2 TE's and sent a single WR out for a pass with everyone else staying in to block. Of course the play had no chance and was easily defended.

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Id love to be able to not post that those great oregon offenses ran the same exact play 50 % of the game.

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see comment above

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Id love to not have to post that young and inexperienced qbs struggle in our offense because of its complexity and not because it simplicity.

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and WR's also for that matter. And you don't think this is a problem? They are only here for 4 years. You don't think it's a problem that it takes any where form 3-4 years to even start to learn our offense. That our offense confuses not one on the defenders that defend against it, but confuses the hell out of the players on offense trying to learn to run it is a bit of an issue to me. It's unnecessarily complex to learn yet simple to defend against. What sense does that make?

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Id love to have to post that our offensive totals are severely skewed because we dont ever run a HUNH and generally we dont run a lot of plays compared to other HUNH offenses.

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you say that as if it were a good thing. Running more plays can wear out defense and also doesn't allow them time to get organized for the next play coming at them. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more HUNH from our offense this season.

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Id love to not have to post that actually we run plays out of and use far more formations than spread offenses

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so what? to what end if it doesn't spread out the defense or put them on their heals? What does that accomplish other than to confuse your own offense and prevent your own offense from getting into a rythym or establishing any sort of continuity. No wonder we get so many delay of game and false start penalties called on our offense.

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Id love to have to post that Miles has proven that when he trusts his qb he will throw the ball.

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He threw about the same percentage of times on 1st and 2nd down with Harris as he did with Mett and as he did with Jennings.

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Id love to not have to post that our offensive plays and scheme have changed with each of our OC since 2005 and Miles isnt runnimg the entire offense and its not the same offense since 2005.

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The OC's run the offense and call the plays. Miles gets his input just like any other head coach. Of course he hires OC's whose philosophy are similar to his.

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Id love to not have to post that there are no cfb programs running these huge variety of plays and no cfb program is runnjng some innovative offenses.

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It's not about running an INNOVATIVE offense it's about running an EFEFCTIVE offense. One that puts your QB's in positions and situations they feel comfortable in and can make plays in. One that spreads out the defense and gives your RB's room to run and your WR's open and get your playmakers in space to make plays. It's not about being overly complicated or innovative. It's probably better just to keep it some what simple. MIles/Cam could look to Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson, Florida st. or just about any other program, college or Pro or even a lot of high schools for inspiration and education on how to do these things.

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Id love to not have to post that execution in cfb is more important than scheme in cfb.

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of course you have to execute but you want to help out by putting your players in the best position to execute successfully.

really we started trying to move in the right direction about at the end of the 2014 season (believe it or not with the addition of the simple jet sweep at the end of that season) and continued on in the 2015 (progress held back some what by QB play) but look for a great leap forward on offense this coming season.

Rickdaddy, I was talking about the last game. Not the one where football ended for some lsu fans

Im sorry but this needed its own seperate reply.

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MIles/Cam could look to Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson, Florida st. or just about any other program, college or Pro or even a lot of high schools for inspiration and education on how to do these things.

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LSU FINISHED THE 2015 SEASON WITH MORE OFFENSIVE YARDS PER GAME THAN BAMA,FSU,AND OHIO STATE.
LSU FINISHED THE 2015 SEASON WITH MORE OFFENSIVE POINTS PER GAME THAN BAMA AND FSU.

If our offense is so predictable and easy to defend and Bama , Clemson, OSU, and FSU run offenses we should strive for then why did all but Clemson, NOT HAVE A MORE PRODUCTIVE OFFENSE THAN OUR PREDICTABLE AND EASILY DEFENDED OFFENSE?


We had better offensive production than OHIO STATE AND FSU while playing in the hardest division in the hardest conf in cfb. I love when posters like yourself just walk right into killshots for your own argument.