re: Godwin, Sully or Vitello?

Upgrade the Box with chairbacks and an outfield berm.

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McDonnell's having a bad season.

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He has a solid body of work outside of this one year. I'll give him a pass.

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Skip made it to Omaha 5 times before a win. Did he underachieve?

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Did LSU have any expectations when he arrived? Has Sully ever made it to five straight college world series'? Did Bertman do anything after that five year run? Has O'Sullivan been at Florida for more than five years?

I know you thought you were going somewhere with that, but you swung and missed, friend.

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You also named two coaches who, between them, have 10 national championships and one current pulse.

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I named two coaches that proved they could win under any circumstances, and didn't just win where they were conveniently set up for success. The fact that they won so many titles is just icing on the cake. You intentionally ignored the point and focused on the big shiny object that had nothing to do with it.

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There are no others. Whoever we hire will come with risk

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You obviously are operating with a different definition of "transcendent" from that of mine. That word doesn't mean "wins five titles in ten years" like you seem to think it does, or that you seem to believe that I think it does. If you'll merely follow along with what I've been saying throughout, I'm looking for a guy who can do more with less -because surely that guy can do more with MORE- because that kind of coach is going to be able to go anywhere and have success. I'm not sold on Sully, because he's had all of these insane recruiting classes, and his teams are perennially not just top 25 preseason, but top 5. But the actual results almost mirror that of LSU's over the last decade, with 2017 being the one exception. But we want Sully to replace Mainieri now? Not me.

Of course there is SOME risk, no matter who you hire. My problem is that Sully would feel like a lateral move.

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Dont put words in my mouth. I understand what you're trying to say. What I'm saying is, you will never find a coach who has already accomplished enough to meet the expectations of LSU fans. This must be how it feels to be an Alabama football fan, and if so, it's miserable. I just want a coach who can come in, win, get us to Supers, get us to the CWS, and be relevant. I want a coach who is young and hungry, whose current program is trending up. All three coaches in the title exemplify that. If you don't like Sully because he only has one title and multiple trips to Omaha, then ok. I personally would not mind him being our coach, because he will recruit well and we'll be relevant every year. Same with McDonnell from Louisville. My personal preference is Vitello because of the upside and the trajectory of the program he is building in the SEC.

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Where did I put words in your mouth, exactly? I'm just going by what you're actually saying. You keep asking me to tell you who these transcendent coaches are, and no matter how many times I answer the question, it's not good enough for you, because, clearly, only guys that have done otherworldly things qualify under your terms. And if that is putting words in your mouth, then I don't know what it is you are even trying to say or accomplish in this discussion, other than being a contrarian.

But everything you said about wanting to be relevant, is what I want. But I have already explained the reasons why I doubt Sully. He's basically been on the same trajectory as Mainieri. And he had a territorial advantage in terms of where he could recruit from over there. He won't have that here. Maybe he can pull some guys here, and I'm sure he would, actually. But to that extent? I highly doubt it.

This is why Vitello is my preferred choice. Would Sully be a bad hire, in that he would just tank LSU? No, I don't think so. But if we just want to stay on a mediocre pace, just getting into the postseason and not doing much, we can save a lot of money by not hiring O'Sullivan to do that.

I don't know why we're fighting over this, if we both agree on the upward trajectory of Vitello.

Who would actually come? Sully at a premier SEC program. Vitello at good Sec program with less pressure. McDonnell seemingly content at Louisville with less pressure. All arrows are pointing to Godwin. You can’t point to the Mulkey hire, she is from Louisiana with relatives and friends living here.

If you are of the belief that CPM had the program on a sharp decline and you are simply looking for a coach to get you back to where CPM had the program then Sully is your guy. But I don’t think Sully can take this program to the next level, or at least nothing he’s don’t at UF would suggest that he could.

I see Sully as a safe hire. I think Vitello and Godwin give you a higher ceiling but with a much lower floor.

McDonnell would be my first choice though.