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re: Godwin, Sully or Vitello?
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:38 pm to adamb2151
Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:38 pm to adamb2151
I definitely don't want Godwin. He's done a nice job at East Carolina, but he hasn't exactly built a juggernaut in that conference, and needless to say he would have a lot more competition here.
Sullivan has done Less with more. Sounds familiar. Not interested in that guy.
I'd like Vitello, but I don't know if he wants this pressure. We all thought coaches would be beating down the door to be LSU's coach after Skip's handpicked guy (sigh), Laval, was fired. But that didn't seem to be the case, if you can believe the reports about who LSU was targeting at the time, and who they ended up hiring. Seems a good many turned us down. I can only imagine it's the immense pressure this job brings.
Just find somebody who is in the mold of a Vitello type. Energetic, players play hard for him, excellent recruiter, and a common sense in-game manager. The resources are already in place if we can just find a guy who can fill those attributes. Vitello is the easy choice, because we already know who he is, but I don't think he's a unicorn, by any means. This will be Woodward's first real test. The Mulkey hire fell into his lap.
Sullivan has done Less with more. Sounds familiar. Not interested in that guy.
I'd like Vitello, but I don't know if he wants this pressure. We all thought coaches would be beating down the door to be LSU's coach after Skip's handpicked guy (sigh), Laval, was fired. But that didn't seem to be the case, if you can believe the reports about who LSU was targeting at the time, and who they ended up hiring. Seems a good many turned us down. I can only imagine it's the immense pressure this job brings.
Just find somebody who is in the mold of a Vitello type. Energetic, players play hard for him, excellent recruiter, and a common sense in-game manager. The resources are already in place if we can just find a guy who can fill those attributes. Vitello is the easy choice, because we already know who he is, but I don't think he's a unicorn, by any means. This will be Woodward's first real test. The Mulkey hire fell into his lap.
This post was edited on 5/28/21 at 11:39 pm
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Posted on 5/28/21 at 11:52 pm to Beef Supreme
quote:There probably aren’t many people who are dead set against him or don’t want him. He’s a proven winner. Some are saying he may not be the absolute slam dunk best fit, and he isn’t so head and shoulders above others on the list that it isn’t even worth having a discussion or a search.
For those not wanting O'Sullivan... are you high?
Posted on 5/29/21 at 1:06 am to adamb2151
As long as the credentials aren’t 1. He’s one of us. 2. He’s a good guy. 3. This is his dream job
Then we should be fine.
Then we should be fine.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 1:09 am to MOT
He IS head and shoulders above the rest though. Who has his resume? Who has handled an sec schedule year in and year out like him? Aside from Corbin he is the head and shoulders best possible candidate
Posted on 5/29/21 at 3:05 am to Beef Supreme
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He IS head and shoulders above the rest though. Who has his resume? Who has handled an sec schedule year in and year out like him? Aside from Corbin he is the head and shoulders best possible candidate
He has the same number of championships as Mainieri, has underachieved just as often as Mainieri, and had a baseball rich pipeline in the Georgia/Florida area that he'd be leaving to come here, which makes his chances for success even smaller. Simply put, I don't think he's a transcendent coach who can just have success anywhere. You want to look for guys who have had success recruiting the country in places where they don't have obvious advantages, and of course you want them to have a high baseball IQ. That goes without saying.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:20 am to adamb2151
Sully, assuming he doesn’t come with any serious baggage. Dude is a fantastic, proven coach. I guarantee we’d pull some of those FL pitchers as a result as well.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:24 am to Metaloctopus
Who is your "transcendent" coach, praytell?
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:31 am to TravisBRTiger
There isn't one.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:35 am to Stevo
Ok, then just hire a good coach and let him work. No sense in hand wringing.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:40 am to TravisBRTiger
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Who is your "transcendent" coach, praytell?
I described them for you already. The types who can recruit at a high level and translate that into wins, in places where there aren't obvious built in advantages.
Who comes to mind for you, given that description? Looking historically, there was Bertman and Garrido. We all know what Bertman had to work with, and Garrido built up numerous losing programs into winners and won National titles at two different places.
Right now, you look at how quickly Vitello has turned around a perennial loser into a top 8 national seed, in the toughest conference in the country, and I think he fits the bill of a transcendent type of coach. Certainly Mainieri used to be one of those guys. What he did at Notre Dame was incredible before arriving here and winning a NC. But the game appears to have passed him by to a large degree. And he seems to have recognized that.
Tim Corbin is someone I often say is given too much credit because he has a huge recruiting advantage at that school. But you look at his consistency, and you can't say he's squandered what he's been given, either. Sully, not so much. I don't think he gives LSU an upgrade. He got his one title. But he's often been a big underachiever. Remind you of a certain football coach we used to have?
This post was edited on 5/29/21 at 8:43 am
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:40 am to adamb2151
Sully but excited about any new blood coming into the program.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:45 am to adamb2151
Vitello excites me more, but Sully is a guarantee IMO that we would have a very good/consistent program
It’s a tough choice. I’m leaning Vitello even though Sully is the safer and better-on-paper choice.
It’s a tough choice. I’m leaning Vitello even though Sully is the safer and better-on-paper choice.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:46 am to Metaloctopus
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Vitello
The Mark Herman of college baseball. He hasn't won anything yet, not even his division. Corbin not leaving Vandy, so who sre your 3 other candidates?
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:46 am to dandan
Does it have to be a college coach? What about from MLB farm systems with LSU ties?
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:47 am to Stevo
Vitello did in fact win the east this year.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:48 am to Stevo
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He hasn't won anything yet, not even his division.
Check again.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:50 am to TravisBRTiger
I stand corrected, and that's impressive. But still don't think he's the right hire.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:52 am to Metaloctopus
Skip made it to Omaha 5 times before a win. Did he underachieve? You also named two coaches who, between them, have 10 national championships and one current pulse.
There are no others. Whoever we hire will come with risk. Personally I want Vitello, but wouldn't be mad at Sully or Godwin. Woody will make a great hire. I trust him to do so.
There are no others. Whoever we hire will come with risk. Personally I want Vitello, but wouldn't be mad at Sully or Godwin. Woody will make a great hire. I trust him to do so.
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:54 am to TravisBRTiger
Goodwin or true skipper. If these two don’t work out ,I hate to say it but could be Nolan Cain. Yuck!
Posted on 5/29/21 at 8:55 am to Stevo
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The Mark Herman of college baseball. He hasn't won anything yet, not even his division. Corbin not leaving Vandy, so who sre your 3 other candidates?
He has won his division, and it wasn't in the freaking AAC, like Herman. I didn't say We'd get Corbin or that I even wanted him. You read my comments about him out of context, obviously. And nobody wins a national title until they do. So what's your point? Should no one ever hire anyone unless they've won a national title? You have to first identify the strengths of a coach, and if you think he's a fit for your program, you hire him and watch him work.
Vitello is my number one guy, with that in mind. If not him, my hope is that they can find someone in that mold in the same way that Tennessee found Vitello, in the first place. I don't want to just go big name shopping, simply because it's convenient. I'd like someone with a little more youth, if possible, but it's not a necessity.
This post was edited on 5/29/21 at 8:56 am
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