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re: Gary Crowton's last 4 jobs:
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:19 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:19 pm to Hot Carl
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Y'all can shout "107 RANKED OFFENSE" until your fricking throats bleed, but it will never be able to change the fact that less than 2 years ago, Les Miles was holding the fricking BCS National Championship Trophy over his head and Gary Crowton was his offensive coordinator. This year was bad-real bad--, but only a fricking moron would conclude that it is an impossibilty for LSU to ever be good again with these same coaches. How do I know? Again, 'cause less than 2 years ago, we were the fricking best.
well said Carl...the what have you done for my 'pathetic ego' lately crowd just don't (and never will) get it. I'm not a huge fan of Crowton but when he has the right personel he knows what to do with it. JJ is a very talented kid (key word...kid), but he should be nothing more than a redshirt freshman learning the ropes. if the perriloux soap-opera doesn't happen the mood of this board would be substancially different. parade all-american, heisman caliber qb's just don't grow on trees and qb's with two games of experience will always have to pay their 'sec' dues before they shine. it's just the way it is.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:20 pm to Hot Carl
I can only watch the games and go by what I see from the offense and its mostly chaotic. Not pretty with big time players sitting on the bench. 
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:24 pm to byubengalboy
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well said Carl...the what have you done for my 'pathetic ego' lately crowd just don't (and never will) get it.
That's great and all, but you and Carl refuse to see the trends that are plain as day to anyone with even an inkling of football knowledge.Both of you sound like old women, you embrace emotion and are not logical.
Offenses don't get better because you hope real hard.
This post was edited on 12/18/09 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:40 pm to byubengalboy
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you call winning the SEC championship backing in?
No, but we did get extremely, extremely lucky and the stars and planets and protons and electrons all aligned for us on that night. I doubt it will be a long, long time before we see another team lose its last game of the regular season (with one loss) and still make it into the big show. I thank Tennessee for beating UGA and UK in 27 overtimes to get themselves into the SEC title game. I am very glad we didn't draw UGA on that December day.
That said, yes we were NC's, but the thrill of that c'ship, for me, doesn't compete with Jan 4th, 2004...even though crystal still measures the same and when you win it, you win it. Unless a playoff arrives, I doubt we ever see another 2 loss champion.
This post was edited on 12/18/09 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:47 pm to KennesawTiger
I've yet to see the point this thread makes. Yea crowton has gotten good jobs.....and has gotten fired from most of them.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:54 pm to PiscesTiger
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That said, yes we were NC's, but the thrill of that c'ship, for me, doesn't compete with Jan 4th, 2004...even though crystal still measures the same and when you win it, you win it. Unless a playoff arrives, I doubt we ever see another 2 loss champion.
Which is stupid because we still backed into that game after Syracuse beat Notre Dame and Boise State beat Hawaii. We didn't even win the AP that year. When most people outside of the south talk about the national champion that year, they are talking about USC. Which pisses me off, but it doesn't make me any more or less excited about 03 and 07. Both were "lucky" seasons. Both seasons I enojyed.
This post was edited on 12/18/09 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:57 pm to BilJ
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I've yet to see the point this thread makes. Yea crowton has gotten good jobs.....and has gotten fired from most of them.
The only job he got fired from was BYU. He left La Tech to go to the Bears. Left the Bears to go to BYU. Got fired then became the OC for Oregon, then left to take the LSU job. Officially he wasn't even fired at BYU, but he probably would have been if he didn't resign.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:58 pm to ZTiger87
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Which is stupid because we still backed into that game after Syracuse beat Notre Dame and Boise State beat Hawaii.
You need to learn what "backing in" means. LSU won 7 games in a row in 2003 to make the national title game.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:58 pm to ZTiger87
would have likely been fired from oregon as well
Posted on 12/18/09 at 7:59 pm to Hot Carl
quote:This is such an incredibly fricking retarded argument! How about we look at trends when he's coaching for these teams. I believe he gets worse with time at a particular school-he regresses not progresses, not a good thing. But, hey look at the bright you started another retarded thread on the Tiger Rant.
Gary Crowton's last 4 jobs:
OC LSU
OC Oregon
HC BYU
OC Chicago Bears
If he sucks so much, how come he keeps getting these pretty prestigious positions? I mean, there are very few coordinators--if any--who can list these type jobs on their resumes.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:02 pm to ZZTIGERS
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This is such an incredibly fricking retarded argument! How about we look at trends when he's coaching for these teams. I believe he gets worse with time at a particular school-he regresses not progresses, not a good thing. But, hey look at the bright you started another retarded thread on the Tiger Rant.
I asked this before in here but it didn't get answered... when did Carl become such a ranter?
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:04 pm to ZZTIGERS
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This is such an incredibly fricking retarded argument! How about we look at trends when he's coaching for these teams. I believe he gets worse with time at a particular school-he regresses not progresses, not a good thing. But, hey look at the bright you started another retarded thread on the Tiger Rant.
He got better in year 4 at BYU and pretty much stayed the same at Oregon. The real trend with Crowton is that his offenses suck with FR and SO starting QBs. I don't even understand why we talk about the NFL when we talk about a college football coach. FWIW he had a top 10 offense and #3 ranked passing game with Shane Matthews, Jim Miller and Cade Mcnown as his QBs and Curtis Enis as his top RB. I wouldn't even consider his NFL tenure a failure.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:18 pm to Roaad
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Meyer had 2 things that Crowton doesn't.
1) sustained consistent success at his previous stops.
2) evidence that his system works in the SEC
Meyer has 1 thing that Crowton doesn't...the willingness or ability to adapt his system based on players and competition. I'll give you number 1, but I want to see Meyer over the next couple of years without Tebow and Strong.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:20 pm to Craig Ferguson
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You need to learn what "backing in" means. LSU won 7 games in a row in 2003 to make the national title game.
and yet wouldn't have made the title game if this didn't happen
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Syracuse beat Notre Dame and Boise State beat Hawaii.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:27 pm to Craig Ferguson
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You need to learn what "backing in" means. LSU won 7 games in a row in 2003 to make the national title game.
And we still needed 2 teams to lose in the last week in order to make the championship game. How is that not backing in?
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:39 pm to Hot Carl
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OC LSU
OC Oregon
HC BYU
OC Chicago Bears
OC LSU - 1st season great, 2nd season worse, 3rd season worse.
Oregon, see LSU.
Chicago, see LSU.
BYU, see LSU.
Why does he keep getting jobs? The real question is why keep him past one season? Maybe because coaches and fans see that one season and think he will duplicate it. History says he won't. BYU's and Oregon's offenses improved dramatically the following years after Crowton was fired/asked to leave.
Coincidence? I guess his whole career is a coincidence.
This post was edited on 12/18/09 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:43 pm to ZTiger87
Kennesaw, I couldn't have stated it better than you did in your first post on this thread. we are so easy to scout and prepare for tendency wise it is ridiculous. I agree that he probably deserves one more year.
I honestly think that it is POSSIBLE that the thinning of diverse tailback talent will make us more difficult to pin down from a tendency standpoint. If that is the case we could jump over 50 spots and be a middle of the pack offense.
On the other hand he could just find different guys to fit into his currently ridiculously compartmentalized offense and we'll be similarly easy to prepare for.
btw, I used to live out that way and enjoyed it. Barrett parkway is a bitch to drive through though. we've been gone 8 years now and it has become a foreign concept to me that it could actually take 25 - 45 minutes to go 3 miles.
I honestly think that it is POSSIBLE that the thinning of diverse tailback talent will make us more difficult to pin down from a tendency standpoint. If that is the case we could jump over 50 spots and be a middle of the pack offense.
On the other hand he could just find different guys to fit into his currently ridiculously compartmentalized offense and we'll be similarly easy to prepare for.
btw, I used to live out that way and enjoyed it. Barrett parkway is a bitch to drive through though. we've been gone 8 years now and it has become a foreign concept to me that it could actually take 25 - 45 minutes to go 3 miles.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:47 pm to Hot Carl
THe best based on some left over talent from OFHC. Take Flynn, Dorsey, Hester off of that team and you are looking at Miles medicrity like we have today.
Posted on 12/18/09 at 8:53 pm to ZTiger87
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You need to learn what "backing in" means. LSU won 7 games in a row in 2003 to make the national title game.
And we still needed 2 teams to lose in the last week in order to make the championship game. How is that not backing in?
I'll tell you the difference - it is... umm it is....
I don't care what it is - all I know is Saban did it GREAT the first time and Miles RUINED the second just like everyone else in the world keeps telling me.
It is too much trouble to think for myself and form opinions - so I go with the general flow of other knowledgeable rantards and opposing team (mainly bama) fans who have unbiased view of saban and miles.
Miles suckz and SABIN RULZ
Posted on 12/18/09 at 9:04 pm to Paulu
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Take Flynn, Dorsey, Hester off of that team and you are looking at Miles medicrity like we have today.
you can qualify and 'if' every championship team in the history of organized sports...
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