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re: Games where Mett could have received PT last year

Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:11 pm to
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gave Alabama the ball inside our territory


Not true.

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And, he looked far from settled in the pocket.


He looked the same as he always did.

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All of them. Our success passing were very frequently off of play action or a defensive alignment which was built to stop the run.


So what? The point is that we ALWAYS aired the ball out early to help set up the run later.

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The team was losing the "game of the century" with Lee at QB before Jefferson came in and stopped the bleeding and ultimately (albeit not with great passing) led us to a win.


Please. If after the first 2 drives you would have taken a bet that LSU would not score a TD, I think the odds would have been against that. All this talk that JJ "bailed us out" because he came in when were down 0-3 is ridiculous.

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I think, offensively, this team will reach much higher highs with Mettenberger at QB.


Yes, and LSU should have been running Lee & Mett out the same scheme all year in 2011. It used to be that people were making speculation about what game Mett was going to take over from Lee, and how awesome the offense would be. Instead we got all this talk about how starting JJ was supposedly the reasonable thing to do.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61995 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:13 pm to
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You are missing the point. If Les didn't trust Lee, Mettenberger should have been prepared and seen action. EVERY QB needs a running game in this type of game.



Lee would have played in a game in which Miles thought Lee would be successful.

Mettenberger hadn't had a meaningful snap all year. He wasn't going to play in that game.

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JJ was a disaster. Could it have gotten worse?



Yes. He could have turned it over a couple of times. Still, I agreed with you that Lee should have come in at some point because it was obvious that Jefferson was playing so poorly. But, I'm not 99% sure that it wouldn't have made a difference with our lack of running game and the pressure our OL was allowing. It could have been even more ugly, but I don't know what you lose.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296155 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:13 pm to
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Lee completed almost as many passes to Bama as he did his own team. His 2nd int almost cost us the game. His previous history against Bama suggests it wasn't going to be good results.


JJ did the same vs UGA and finished the game. No more throws to the other guy. Are you saying things were impossible to change?


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Everyone understands this. That doesn't mean Lee wasn't prepared to come in. He decided to stick with JJ, hoping that he could come through with a big play. Like he had the previous 2 times against Bama. Obviously it didn't work out.



That isn't what happened. Les himself said he did it because it was "fair" to JJ. Lee or Mett were not going to play unless JJ were injured.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:14 pm to
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His previous history against Bama suggests it wasn't going to be good results.


Man, y'all are some superstitious mofos.

By the way, in JJ's career against Bama I count him as leading LSU on 34 drives and LSU scoring 37 points during that time.

I'm out of here for today...
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:15 pm to
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Except none of this is hindsight. There is a large contingent of posters around here who have been very consistent.

When LSU is winning, the knee-jerk response is, "we're winning, so why don't you STFU!"

After the loss, the knee-jerk response is "I bet you weren't saying this before!"

When JJ was let back on the team, the standard line on the Rant was that everybody needed to chill out, because obviously there was no chance he was never going to see significant playing time this year anyway, because "Miles isn't stupid." Seriously. People said this.

When JJ started getting more and more playing time, the standard line on the Rant was "stop complaining, we have a 2-QB system that's working just fine, and you are worrying about something that hasn't even happened yet."

After the first Bama game, the standard line was "well, all you Lee-lovers need to chill, because I'm sure he'll still be the starter and that we'll continue to use a 2-QB system anyway."

Finally, the standard line went back to the old, "well, I'm sure Miles had his secret reasons that made sense."

It's been line after line of bullshite from start to finish.

Right. And let's not forget the last phases of this absurd progression.

When JJ faced 2 teams with an actual pulse (Arky and UGA) the offense started really slow and we eventually got bailed out in other phases of the game.

Some suggested that maybe Lee should start seeing a few series early in games and then their mantra was "Haha frick you! Lee won't see the field unless he's taking a knee. JJ is awesome. Lee sucks!"

And then when JJ did nothing against Bama the mantra was then "Well, it wouldn't have mattered if Lee played anyway"

The JJ sunshine pumpers (7th Ward Tiger as an example) are just really stupid people.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:16 pm to
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Man, y'all are some superstitious mofos.

Superstitious?

How about just plane fricking stupid
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61995 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:17 pm to
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Not true.



Just checked. It was the Bama 47. So, even though I was off by 3 yards, my point stands.

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So what? The point is that we ALWAYS aired the ball out early to help set up the run later.





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Please. If after the first 2 drives you would have taken a bet that LSU would not score a TD, I think the odds would have been against that. All this talk that JJ "bailed us out" because he came in when were down 0-3 is ridiculous.



Jefferson did what Lee couldn't do which was settle the offense down and prevent it from beating itself. Then he led two FG drives to give us a shot in overtime.

I'm not saying that what Jefferson did was extraordinary. It was not. I'm saying that Lee was a disaster and couldn't be on the field in that game.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296155 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:17 pm to
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Lee would have played in a game in which Miles thought Lee would be successful.

Mettenberger hadn't had a meaningful snap all year. He wasn't going to play in that game.



So you are saying Miles didn't prepare Mett for this contingency. This is exactly what others are saying, thanks for agreeing.


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Yes. He could have turned it over a couple of times. Still, I agreed with you that Lee should have come in at some point because it was obvious that Jefferson was playing so poorly. But, I'm not 99% sure that it wouldn't have made a difference with our lack of running game and the pressure our OL was allowing. It could have been even more ugly, but I don't know what you lose.


Miles wasn't adequately prepared for the the situation anyone would play except for JJ, bottom line.



Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31955 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:20 pm to
What's done is done. It's time to move on. Repeated bitching and all this "well if this happened" and "if only this person would've played" in the end it doesn't change a thing.

It's almost a week later.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42190 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:20 pm to
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So you are saying Miles didn't prepare Mett for this contingency. This is exactly what others are saying, thanks for agreeing.


How many other teams prepare the third string qb as much as the first and second?

This is a weird criticism.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:21 pm to
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Lee would have played in a game in which Miles thought Lee would be successful.

Mettenberger hadn't had a meaningful snap all year. He wasn't going to play in that game.



So you are saying Miles didn't prepare Mett for this contingency. This is exactly what others are saying, thanks for agreeing.


Some people are too stupid to know that they're arguing against themselves.

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Miles wasn't adequately prepared for the the situation anyone would play except for JJ, bottom line.



This
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:22 pm to
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How many other teams prepare the third string qb as much as the first and second?

This is a weird criticism.


He was 2nd for much of the season
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296155 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:24 pm to
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How many other teams prepare the third string qb as much as the first and second?

This is a weird criticism.


If Les didn't trust Lee, Mettenberger shouldn't have been third team. Your logic is screwed.

Miles wasn't going to play anyone but JJ. When will this finally sink in your head? Miles himself said so
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61995 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:24 pm to
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So you are saying Miles didn't prepare Mett for this contingency. This is exactly what others are saying, thanks for agreeing.



Obviously, Miles wasn't planning on playing Mettenberger this year. Is that what you thought I was arguing? Try and keep up.

My point is that:

- with the very tough early schedule
- and our immediate success with Lee
- and the way Jefferson filled in when Lee didn't perform
- including a "game of the century" on the road, that was unanimously agreed to be against our toughest opponent
- and a margin of victory that never was in single digits other than said "game of the century"
- with a schedule that was frequently labeled the toughest ever in the BCS era

that it was very reasonable to not take your 3rd QB who hadn't played a meaningful snap all year and try to prepare him for the stretch run of a championship season.

You can disagree with that if you want.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61995 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:25 pm to
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How many other teams prepare the third string qb as much as the first and second?

This is a weird criticism


A voice of reason

Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42190 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:25 pm to
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He was 2nd for much of the season


True. But when Jefferson was back. He assumed the role of 2nd string until he obviously took over during the bama game.

I'm saying that if those are going to be your 2 qbs (lee and JJ) wrong or right, the third string qb will not get as much concentration in preparation. That much should be obvious.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296155 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:26 pm to
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that it was very reasonable to not take your 3rd QB who hadn't played a meaningful snap all year and try to prepare him for the stretch run of a championship season.

You can disagree with that if you want.


If Miles didn't trust Lee (as many JJ fans are saying) the logical thing would be to have a backup available you do trust.

Either Miles used poor judgement or he didn't have a backup plan.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61995 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:28 pm to
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If Les didn't trust Lee, Mettenberger shouldn't have been third team. Your logic is screwed.



He trusted him more than Mettenberger who hadn't had a meaningful snap all year.

If Jefferson had blown his knee out in preparation for the Bama game, Lee would have started.

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Miles wasn't going to play anyone but JJ


Ok. But, that doesn't have anything to do with Mettenberger.

If you are making the point that Lee should have come in the game, then I've already agreed with you. If you are making a larger point about Mettenberger, then you are being ridiculous.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170606 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:31 pm to
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I'm saying that if those are going to be your 2 qbs (lee and JJ) wrong or right, the third string qb will not get as much concentration in preparation. That much should be obvious.


Sure

I'll agree with that
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61995 posts
Posted on 1/15/12 at 3:32 pm to
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If Miles didn't trust Lee (as many JJ fans are saying) the logical thing would be to have a backup available you do trust.



You don't just choose to have a backup you can trust. And, you don't choose whether or not you have a viable backup plan.

I think it is crazy that heading in to the Alabama game anyone would have been wanting Mettenberger to have received any of the game preparation over Jefferson or Lee.




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