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re: Game 3: Georgia 2, LSU 2 -FINAL/13- Travel Curfew Restrictions - LSU Wins Series
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:33 am to catholictigerfan
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:33 am to catholictigerfan
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Note: I don't have much confidence either but I'm still holding out hope. To many people on here today are already writing this season off as a bad one.
Oh I'm not writing the season off either. Long way to go. Even if we're not playing well right now, we're still just a half a game out of first place.
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Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:38 am to nicholastiger
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Whole story of the game summed up by 2-0 count on Robertson with bases loaded.
Wait, Robertson was hacking away at 2-0 with the bases loaded? He's batting .180. Even if he hits it hard, it's not going to go over the outfielders heads. I'm guessing this is the ball that the centerfielder made a great play on? Paul Mainieri refuses to let pitchers struggle with command. They will walk a batter, then he'll hit and run on the first pitch to help em out. They fall behind 3-0, and he'll let Kade Scivique swing away.
2-0 with a .180 hitter????
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:49 am to Choupique19
I thought it was a bad choice right after the play but looking back I don't think it is as bad as we made it out to be. Robertson hit the ball well it just went right at someone. If he got a hit everyone would be saying how good of a decision it was to swing 2-0
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:50 am to nicholastiger
I didn't see the game yesterday so I can't comment but that does seem odd to be swinging 2-0 with anyone.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:51 am to catholictigerfan
With the bats, you know the of is playing shallow depth, continue to work the count. Hitting a single on a line drive is becoming as rare as the homerun. They've turned college baseball into college softball
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:52 am to nicholastiger
They actually did some stuff to increase the offense in softball a few years back.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 8:55 am to catholictigerfan
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Robertson hit the ball well it just went right at someone.
That tends to happen from time to time. Baseball teams have been playing 9 guys in the field for over 140 years. So, if a pitcher is losing control, and is close to walking in the winning run, we might as well give him a chance to do that.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:15 am to Choupique19
quote:He hit a ball to the warning track early in the game yesterday, against the wind.
Even if he hits it hard, it's not going to go over the outfielders heads.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:17 am to Choupique19
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Baseball teams have been playing 9 guys in the field for over 140 years. So, if a pitcher is losing control, and is close to walking in the winning run, we might as well give him a chance to do that.
I'm pro-Robertson swinging in that situation. People say "take until a strike." Well, when you see a meatball coming right down the pipe, I'd rather swing and get great contact - which he did - than watch the best pitch of the series pass him by.
The kid is a freshman and he stepped up hitting the ball square on the buttons right at someone. I am never going to fault him for that.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:34 am to Choupique19
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Wait, Robertson was hacking away at 2-0 with the bases loaded? He's batting .180.
What's the problem with swinging at a 2-0 pitch? That's a great time for a hitter that is struggling to swing at a pitch when the pitcher is 95% likely to throw a fastball over the plate. The kid hit the shite out of the ball and it went right to the CF and he made a play on the ball.
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Even if he hits it hard, it's not going to go over the outfielders heads.
He hit one earlier in the game that would have been a 3 run homerun on any day the wind wasn't blowing in hard from left field, so I'm not sure where you are going with this.
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They will walk a batter, then he'll hit and run on the first pitch to help em out.
No problem with this scenario. What do you think this is American Legion / Peewee ball where a kid is going to throw 15 straight balls? We're talking SEC pitchers here.
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They fall behind 3-0, and he'll let Kade Scivique swing away.
Actually was a good time to let a .390 hitter swing away.
You aren't very good with this whole baseball strategy bashing thing.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:44 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Wait, Robertson was hacking away at 2-0 with the bases loaded? He's batting .180. Even if he hits it hard, it's not going to go over the outfielders heads.
I didn't like him swinging in that situation. The pitcher had just walked the previous batter and the wind was blowing very hard towards home. He should have worked the count. I'm guessing that was what PM talked to him about during the AB.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 9:56 am to PurpleAndGold86
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He hit one earlier in the game that would have been a 3 run homerun on any day the wind wasn't blowing in hard from left field, so I'm not sure where you are going with this.
Was it a hit or an out???
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What do you think this is American Legion / Peewee ball where a kid is going to throw 15 straight balls?
Scivicque walked Fraley pinch ran for Scivicque
Hale bunt popped out foul to the catcher (1 out)
On a 0-0 ball, Fraley advanced to 2nd on a wild pitch Ibarra intentionally walked
Stevenson flied out to left (2 outs)
UGA pitching change to Jarret Brown
Chinea walked, Fraley to 3rd, Ibarra to 2nd
Robertson flied out to center (3 outs)
Let's not forget that Aaron Nola walked four batters and hit a batter on Friday. So yes, sometimes pitchers do struggle with control.
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They fall behind 3-0, and he'll let Kade Scivique swing away.
Actually was a good time to let a .390 hitter swing away.
Did he get a hit? Do you know LSU's batting average over the last 5 years on 3-0 counts? I know we do have a few hits, and everybody is like "Whoa, that Mainieri made a great call." But for every 3-0 hit, we have another 3 outs. I listen to, or watch most of the LSU games. We get out a lot on 3-0. If there isn't a runner in scoring postion and less than 2 outs, we shouldn't be swinging at 3-0. The days of the long ball are gone, and we are more likely to hit the ball poorly, or hit it right to a defender than we are to get a hit.
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You aren't very good with this whole baseball strategy bashing thing.
I'll let up when the LSU offense scores runs when it matters. When LSU starts losing post season games 8-7 I'll back off of the offensive approach and understand that it's not all the offenses fault.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:08 am to Choupique19
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Well one out at home is better than two outs and a runner stranded at third base. If laird breaks home, the likely result is one out, and runners at first and second. That's much better than two outs and a runner at third base.
that!
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:10 am to Choupique19
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Was it a hit or an out???
It was a routine out to the left fielder. That doesn't have anything to do with what I said. You said he isn't going to hit it over the outfielders heads, when earlier in the game he showed he clearly has enough power to run a ball out of the park. That's all I said.
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Scivicque walked Fraley pinch ran for Scivicque Hale bunt popped out foul to the catcher (1 out) On a 0-0 ball, Fraley advanced to 2nd on a wild pitch Ibarra intentionally walked Stevenson flied out to left (2 outs) UGA pitching change to Jarret Brown Chinea walked, Fraley to 3rd, Ibarra to 2nd Robertson flied out to center (3 outs)
So one pitcher walked one hitter and another pitcher walked one hitter and you are critiquing a hitter swinging at a 2-0 pitch (a hitter's count) when he hit the ball right on the screws and the fielder had to make a great play on the ball? That is seriously laughable. Sometimes shite just doesn't go your way. Look, LSU is by no means an offensive juggernaut. They are NOT a good hitting team. Let's be honest. But critiquing a hitter for taking an aggressive swing and making great contact on a good pitch to hit in a hitter's count is maybe a little off base.
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Did he get a hit?
You can't measure every single offensive decision on whether or not we got a hit in the one situation. An great college hitter is only going to succeed 35% of the time. So because he didn't get a hit in that one spot, doesn't mean it wasn't an okay decision to swing away.
If we had a bunch of kids up there sitting 2-0 and 3-1 and taking pitches right down the middle and then getting out on the next pitch, I know people all over here would be bitching that we aren't aggressive enough at the plate. Fans are never going to be happy and the ones with low baseball IQ are going to complain about something no matter what when the team isn't scoring enough runs. We just aren't a great hitter team. It is going to be a consistent battle all season long. But that doesn't mean you stop swinging the bat and hope to get walked.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:22 am to PurpleAndGold86
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You said he isn't going to hit it over the outfielders heads, when earlier in the game he showed he clearly has enough power to run a ball out of the park.
How many home runs does KRob have this year? How many extra base hits? He is batting .192 with a .262 slugging percentage. (I love the kid, I like him in the lineup, this comment is not meant to be a knock on him)
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But critiquing a hitter
I'm not critiquing the hitter. The head coach is in charge of green lighting or taking.
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An great college hitter is only going to succeed 35% of the time.
And will reach first base 100% of the time he is walked. A hitter sitting at 3-0 has a greater chance of being walked than getting a hit.
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If we had a bunch of kids up there sitting 2-0 and 3-1 and taking pitches right down the middle and then getting out on the next pitch, I know people all over here would be bitching that we aren't aggressive enough at the plate
As with everything, it depends on the situation. Who is batting? Where are the runners? Who is on deck? Who is pitching? And on and on...
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:27 am to Choupique19
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How many home runs does KRob have this year
0 - but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of hitting one. He showed us yesterday that he is capable. He may not hit any all year, but when he connects he has the ability to reach the seats.
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A hitter sitting at 3-0 has a greater chance of being walked than getting a hit.
Well the at bat we are discussing the count was 2-0, not 3-0. The 2-0 pitch was most definitely a strike, so the count would have been 2-1 had he taken that pitch. A hitter in a 2-1 count is not going to walk a high percentage of the time.
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As with everything, it depends on the situation.
It does, but what I stated is a fact. If we were up there taking those pitches and still getting out people would have to find something to complain about and it would be the lack of aggressiveness at the plate. Maybe not you, but someone would be. That's why I find this place funny. Sometimes it's an absolutely no win situation.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:37 am to PurpleAndGold86
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He showed us yesterday that he is capable. He may not hit any all year, but when he connects he has the ability to reach the seats.
So let's start tracking this. For the rest of K Rob's career at LSU, when he gets a 2-0 count, let's keep up with how many of those at bats end up with a walk, and compare it with how many end up with a home run.
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Well the at bat we are discussing the count was 2-0, not 3-0.
The comments I quoted were in reference to letting Scivique swing away at 3-0 with 2 outs the other day. You and I were discussing the Scivique at bat.
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It does, but what I stated is a fact. If we were up there taking those pitches and still getting out people would have to find something to complain about and it would be the lack of aggressiveness at the plate. Maybe not you, but someone would be.
No doubt. That much is true.
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Sometimes it's an absolutely no win situation.
Except when you win the game.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:43 am to Choupique19
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The comments I quoted were in reference to letting Scivique swing away at 3-0 with 2 outs the other day. You and I were discussing the Scivique at bat.
True enough. Ultimately, I started blending our conversation and mixed it in with the Robertson at bat.
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No doubt. That much is true.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:51 am to PurpleAndGold86
Just like Saturday night, I was shocked to hear some "boos" from the crowd when Mainieri made the pitching change in the 9th. We were debating before the inning even started it in the game thread (I was posting from the game). If Broussard had given up a double, half the posters would have griped.
Basically, the only saving grace for the coach is to win.
Basically, the only saving grace for the coach is to win.
Posted on 3/24/14 at 10:53 am to Choupique19
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Just like Saturday night, I was shocked to hear some "boos" from the crowd when Mainieri made the pitching change in the 9th.
I was appalled. And quite frankly, still am. That shite is embarrassing.
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