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re: Former LSU players had high praise for Coach Orgeron and his staff
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:29 pm to RB10
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:29 pm to RB10
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You've been arguing against my conclusion for several pages now
You've never provided a conclusion or at least why you've reached the conclusion about what one is supposed to draw from overall records in the top 10 comparatively. I think rankings are useful in showing the relative strength of a team in a given year more so than an overall record does. For instance, LSU won a national championship in 2007 with a regular season record of 10-2. In 1996, LSU also finished with 2 losses and was outside the top 15 at the end of the regular season. Granted 2007 was a crazy year but I think it would also be a reasonable statement that the 2007 team was much, much better than the 1996 team even though they each were 2 loss seasons.
So sure, ranking are not infallible, never said they were, but they are absolutely a useful tool. But you seem to be solely focusing on overall record and think that's a hook, line and sinker. It's just not.
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They give you a fairly unbiased view of how well your program is considered and respected at a specific time, taking into consideration SoS, W/L and a few other things.
Unbiased? You think rankings are unbiased?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:31 pm to lsufball19
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So sure, ranking are not infallible, never said they were, but they are absolutely a useful tool. But you seem to be solely focusing on overall record and think that's a hook, line and sinker. It's just not.
For the last time, I'm using the records to measure the schedule from top to bottom, not just the top third.
I'll ask you again, since no one seems to want to answer:
How do you differentiate between 2-10 Arkansas and 8-5 Auburn using the rankings?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:33 pm to RB10
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The record of all 14 teams give an overall picture of how strong the conference is
Not if they didn't all play the same schedule it doesn't. Just looking at it, the Sun Belt appears to probably have a better overall record this year than probably multiple P5 conferences. Does that mean the Sun Belt is a stronger conference? Of course not, which is why context and who teams played are important.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:33 pm to RB10
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I'll ask again, how do you differentiate between 2-10 Arkansas and 8-5 Auburn using the rankings?"
How did they fare head to head?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Unbiased? You think rankings are unbiased?
Totally unbiased. It's why 4 loss Texas is ranked ahead of 10 teams with a better overall record and why they're behind WVU, whom they lost too.
Unbiased.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Unbiased? You think rankings are unbiased?
Using a poll of dozens or even hundreds gives you a much clearer picture than some bumpkins idea from Backwater Tennessee.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:36 pm to RB10
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It's why 4 loss Texas is ranked ahead of 10 teams with a better overall record
Finishing strong tends to do that.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:37 pm to lsufball19
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Not if they didn't all play the same schedule it doesn't. Just looking at it, the Sun Belt appears to probably have a better overall record this year than probably multiple P5 conferences. Does that mean the Sun Belt is a stronger conference? Of course not, which is why context and who teams played are important.
65-60. Man, that's stout.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
They’re sports writers!!! Theyre media they know very little about sports compared to what you believe and they’re refuonally biased. The fact you place so much stock in these ppls opinions and you think there are hundreds of them lol just proves how much you don’t know.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:38 pm to Madking
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They’re sports writers!!!
Well collectively they know more than you, so I'll trust the final polls
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:39 pm to RB10
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How do you differentiate between 2-10 Arkansas and 8-5 Auburn using the rankings?
Do you think there's a discernible difference between an 4-8 team and a 3-9 team? Because those show up in the final records just like a 2-10 team and an 8-5 team. I think the top third of your schedule is more important point of comparison than comparing the differences between the bottom third.
For the sake of argument, let's say team 1 played a schedule against four 11-1 teams, four 6-6 teams, and four 1-11 teams. Let's say team 2 played a schedule of twelve 6-6 teams. Both teams played opponents with the same exact combined record. Who had the more difficult schedule? Is your answer the same because the overall records were the same?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Using a poll of dozens or even hundreds gives you a much clearer picture than some bumpkins idea from Backwater Tennessee.
Combining a bunch of biased polls doesnt make then unbiased. The closest thing we had to unbiased polls were the bcs computer polls and even they were biased by the weighted parameters that people set. Polls are the epitome of subjectivity.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:40 pm to RB10
And he keeps flip flopping back and forth over the same argument. Head to head matters when he needs it to but it doesn’t matter when it doesn’t benefit his argument. He does this with every topic it’s unreal he’s like a rat backed into a corner.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Finishing strong tends to do that.
Back to back losses at the end of October followed by 3 wins by a combined 28 points over teams that combined to go 16-1 and a loss to Oklahoma and 1 nice win over UGA.
"Strong finish"
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No they don’t lol
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Combining a bunch of biased polls
Polls aren't biased, people are.
That's why polls generally use dozens or even hundreds of individuals to mitigate the bias
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:42 pm to lsufball19
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For the sake of argument, let's say team 1 played a schedule against four 11-1 teams, four 6-6 teams, and four 1-11 teams. Let's say team 2 played a schedule of twelve 6-6 teams. Both teams played opponents with the same exact combined record. Who had the more difficult schedule? Is your answer the same because the overall records were the same?
Yes. 12 mediocre teams is the same a 4 good, 4 mediocre and 4 bad teams.
I'm honestly not sure how many different times I have to tell you that I think the entire schedule matters.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:42 pm to Madking
Post Season SOS - SEC was much stronger in 2015
2018 - A&M toughest schedule in FBS - played ALA, CLEM
2015
2018 - A&M toughest schedule in FBS - played ALA, CLEM
2015
Posted on 1/21/19 at 9:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Lol no they don’t and the ppl creating the polls are people!! Lmao start double checking your post before you hit submit, you look like a fool.
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